Duelund conversion to DIY Helix Geometry Cabling


I have been an avid user of the Duelund cabling for over two years now and have used them exclusively in my system with great results. I have built many for friends and have used a full loom of interconnects, speaker cables, power cords and an extensive wiring modification for a previously owned balanced power conditioner utilizing Duelund 600V PolyCast wiring which was transformative. My cabling desires can be a little addictive as I have owned and evaluated 40+ brands of cabling costing more than an entire stereo system!

Over the past six months I stumbled upon a thread here on Audiogon in regards to a Helix designed cabling and as you probably already know, I just had to look a little deeper into this cable design…After a month of studying and sourcing parts, I decided to reach out to the designer/architect, Williewonka who gave more insights and philosophy on how the cable came into existence.

That conversation got the ball rolling in converting one of my KLE Duelund interconnects to Steve’s Helix designed which only entailed replacing the neutral with a Mil-Spec 16 AWG silver-plated copper wire with the neural wire being 3 times longer than the signal wire and of course the “Coiling” of the neutral wire : )

After the modification was complete, I was not sure what to expect from the Helix cabling but I was quite shocked with the results with “ZERO” burn-in time…The sound stage became much wider/deeper with a much tighter/focused image and clarity/transparency is like nothing I have ever heard in any cabling regardless of cost. In fact, I just sold a full loom of a commercially designed Helix Cable that’s renowned around the world and has more direct sale than any cable manufacturer; these $200 DIY Helix Cables walked all over them…

I believe you will hear the same results as I have and have heard back from friends who have already modified their Duelunds with the same results; WOW! Remember the cables will need 200+ hours to burn-in and settle into your system. My system is now 90% DIY Helix to include IC, SC, PC and Coax with each cabling adding its beauty of an organic and natural presentation that draws you into the fabric of the music.

You can tailor the sound of your cables using Duelund, Mundorf silver/1% gold, the outstanding Vh Audio OCC Solid Copper or Silver with Airlok Insulation or your favorite wiring and you can change it at any time…

 

http://www.image99.net/blog/files/category-diy-cables.html

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/difference-in-sound-between-copper-and-silver-digital-cables

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/adding-shielding-to-existing-cables

 

Enjoy,

Wig


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@sasho - you can use whatever wire you like.

My preference is for the 10 gague silver plated milspec because I like the sound.

I have tried a few wires for the neutral and no other wire to date has provided the warmth and details.dynamics except - I did try UP-OCC copper, but it sounded far too analytical for my liking and it was very expensive

I also prefer having a larger gauge on the neutral, so,,,

  • if you are using an 8 ohm speaker then use 2 x 16 awg for the signal and a 1 x 12 awg wire for the neutral or a 2 x 14 awg wire
  • if you are using a 2-4 ohm speaker then use 2 x 14 awg for the signal and  a 1 x 10 gague wire for the neutral - or a 2 x 12 awg wire

You can use a stranded wire or a solid wire, but the stranded wire is ore flexible

Hope that helps - Steve

 

 

Where from we can purchase teflon tube 

I plan to use Neotech OCC copper 14 AWG hook up wire  with pvc Insulation which will be stripped

Which Is proper teflon tube gauge to use with 14 AWG Neotech wire - 12 AWG ?

@camrector Have you considered PC Triple C Wire.

I have wore on my sleeve, my being an advocate of the Wire Type within this Thread and on this forum on quite a few occasions.

I own it as Purchased  Cable and as the Wire only. It is owned as both Solid and Stranded, and I also own a length of PC Triple C / EX, that is quite expensive.

There is a Helix Build using Triple C within this thread, a report on the impression mase is available from the end user.

In my own HiFi community in the UK, my loaning of the the wire has made a big impression, where a growing in number are superseding the use of OCC Copper and Silver for the Triple C.

Some who have experienced it in comparison to OCC, and are in possession of systems claimed to be very resolving, are classing the impression made as Night/Day as a betterment. 

As a result of my loan of Triple C, and growing in number converts, the wire has caused a stimulus and curiosity to those that are introduced to it.

The Wire is now found in use as PC, Hook Up Wire, Interconnects, Cart' Tags, Speaker Internal and Speaker Cables and it is also now used as a Continuous Wand Wire within a Tonearm as a upgrade by a renowned UK based Tonearm designer / builder. 

The same TA builder has intimated, they may send a Cart' to a rebuild service to have the Coils wound in Triple C, when the suitable wire is discovered. 

I hope you become curious and make inroads to try out this alternative wire option. 

@pindac 

its on my list to try!  Specifically  the Acoustic Revive SPC-AV TripleC. I’ve recently completed a massive overhaul of my system. Just letting everything settle a bit. 
I’ve been experimenting lately with different low mass connectors. All my favorites (AECO, KLE, ETI) are getting beat by Neutrik Speakons!! Ive been pretty shocked by the results. 

@camrector My ears are pricked up, my attention is on you 🤓

Firstly the Cable you have referred to has sort of vanished, it is periodically showing for sale.

It is this Rtiple C cable remaining in the form purchased, that superseded my use of Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Speaker Cable used between 845 Monoblock Amp’s and ESL Speakers. Note: This Triple C did take about two hours of usage before it become the Cable that shamed the M’shade.

A few weeks of revert back to M’shade and return to Triple C, left the M’shades seemingly inferior and very veiled and muddy as a description.

Here’s the crazier side of it, approx’ three years previous, a Speaker Cable Bake Off was arranged at a home with another Valve Power Amp’ > ESL. There was from recollection approx’ £7K New Cables in the line up, of which the most expensive was a £1.5K pair.

The final selection and ones that all in attendance were unanimous as being the better Cable on the day was a True Silver @ £700 per pair.

The Wild Card M’shades were then used as the comparison, and the whole room fell apart on which was the better. The individual buying Cables would have bought the M’shades if they were a UK Cable and not a Import.

I learnt later that True Silvers have a origin from the US.

The wonder is what will the Triple C have done on this day if available at the time.

As for mass in a Connector, this is one very well flogged to death within my HiFi social circle.

Low Mass is now proven to be wanting when compared to Low Eddy.

Low Eddy RCA’s as a Cable Termination and Chassis Mount, will most likely knock you out of the Ball Park, well it did for myself anyway.

I thought I understood the envelope of a note or vocal, I do now as a result of being introduced to Low Eddy on a SS System, in a way that I have never experienced before.

I've had a search and discovered the two options, the Reference II is I believe 1.8mm and SPV 0.9mm Diameter.

Both are a rare discovery at this price, matching pricing around COVID times.

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/audio9:10004960/2_1/

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/audio9:10004950/2_1/