Hegel H120 or H190


Hello!

I’m considering getting an Hegel integrated amplifier. I like their sound, they are in my budget range and they feature the functions I will use. Because of my budget, I’m considering a H120 or a H190, used or new. H390 and H400 are out of my budget I think.

After several tests, I would say the H190 sounds slightly better (wider soundstage, more precision) but it’s not day and night though so I am still wondering what to do because it is also much more expensive, whether used or new.

I’d like to know your thoughts about that, if any of you had the two and used them over the course of several weeks or months.

Speakers are B&W CM1 (bookshelf); I’ll probably upgrade them within 2 or 3 years. I rarely listen to my music above 80 db and the room is about 17 square meters.

Thank you very much for your ideas!

boozendormi

Thanks everyone for your recommendations!

I'm not planning to move anytime soon - so power should be enough with either amps for now. I'm more concerned about the overall sound quality of the two amps, for now given the fact that a future speaker upgrade could reveal more sound qualities than the CM1 are doing now.

So the H190 is overkill for the room and maybe the H120 is too but what about their sound? I can't find any significant information about a design change from one amp to the other that could "objectify" a step forward in SQ.

I know that listening by oneself is the rule of thumb but after several tests I'm beginning to be a little confused so other people opinions could help.

The H190 sounds a little better to me with some tracks but it may as well be placebo effect...

Or maybe the way to go is to upgrade the speakers first, then find the right amp!

The advice on figuring out your potential speaker upgrade, what your preferences are and picking a new amp based on how it meets the potential new speakers needs along with synergy is key.  How an amp sounds paired with speakers is heavily impacted by the synergy between the two.  Even if you aren’t streaming currently, might be a good idea to buy an amp that offers the capability, opens up an entirely new world of accessibility.  Hegel is highly regarded and specifically for their integrated units, you won’t go wrong with them.  They also should be able to drive most speakers.  I’d lean into the 190 or 360 used, Hegel has a great reputation for their integrated amps digital streaming / DAC capabilities, you’ll get a slightly better amp / pre and gain the all in one package needed to stream should you ever get the itch.  Bang for buck, Music Fidelity makes some great integrated amps, used some models should fall within your price range, same with Peach Tree Audio.  I think PS audio also makes a Class D integrated that can be found at a good value used.  Schitt has built their brand off of delivering high performance and reasonable prices, would look at their gear, integrated units as well. 
 

Good Luck,


 

@boozendormi

I think you should buy the H120. Even the H90 would be fine, but the H120 would be a no brainer.

I tried 7 integrated amps in two months in search of my next best amp. What I found was that they matter the least. The source and the speaker make a much bigger difference.

Don’t buy the speakers first. You need to match the speakers TO THE AMP, not the other way. In your room size, the Hegel will do everything you need. Any 2-3K bookshelf speaker from Dynaudio or Wharfedale or alike would be a huge upgrade to the B&Ws

It's a bit of a shame you've ruled out the H390. Now that the H400 is replacing it, I fortunate enough to pick up one in a new/open box condition very recently for $4,500 and a new H190 is I think something like $4,200. Thinking ahead, if you can find  a new or used H390 in that range, the relatively small extra dollar stretch is definitely worth it. It will drive whatever speakers you get in the future admirably and the gobs of quiet clean power it has will just sound better at lower listening volumes with your current speakers. On the other hand, stereo gear is just like bikes. There is always something better for just a little bit more money.  My bottom line is go with the most power in their lineup you can swing. I  really like the sound Hegel amps produce and no matter where you end up in their lineup, I predict you will be a happy camper.

quiet clean power it has will just sound better at lower listening volumes

I seriously doubt that