Hi-End for Black Metal?

I disagree with most of what you say in your thread.
What has the hell has intellect got to do with creating music?
Sheer balderdash.

I always felt, that a connection was quite clear.
"balderdash"- that's a new one, never heard it before

Mapman- good to see you on this thread.

For myself, I have a hard time with Black Metal. I want to like it, but most of it that I've heard is pretty bad.

Map- Porcupine Tree flirts with metal as much as they do with Pink Floyd and King Crimson. If you like Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree, then check out the Opeth albums "Blackwater Park" and "Deliverance" Wilson produced both, and plays on them a bit.

Death to False Metal (just kidding)

-P

I listen to all kinds of Heavy Metal from Accept to Zoetrope on my high-end system, but not black or death metal

I very recently stumbled across (your mother would not like it) Canadian metal band called 'The Agonist' their album 'Only Once Imagined', I think its really good, the male singer sings all the gruffly vocal stuff, but they also have a female singer who sounds similar to the singer In Evanescence, an interesting vocal combination.

Maril555,
I also don't like crowds which attend rock shows. Even though I like rock music, I would like to distance myself from people who typically visit such events. Rock is all about girls, beer, having fun, love, etc. But Black Metal is different. Guys who play black metal for non-commercial reasons are also different. BM is more than music. Listen to the best examples of BM has to offer: for example, Immortal "Sons of Northern Darkness" (2002) or Darkthrone "A Blaze In The Northern Sky" (1992) or Satyricon "Nemesis Divina" (1996) or Emperor "In the Nightside Eclipse" (1994). If something does not click in your soul, then I give up on you :)