How far have ss amps really come in the last twenty years?


I have owned and enjoyed my Jeff Rowland model 8 ( recently modded and upgraded by Jeff to the last version) for many years. I recently had the opportunity of comparing it ( after mods) to a few of the current ss models from Gamut, D'Agostino, YBA, Parasound, Sim audio, CH precision, Constellation,PS audio,Pass Labs  and Musical Fidelity. The results were very interesting, because to my ears and in the systems that we did the comparison, the Rowland held its own against all but the most expensive D'Ag and CH amps. Even those were only very slightly outclassing the Rowland in the areas of top end resolution...and a tad in the bottom end resolution. Now the thing is that the last revision to the Rowland 8 was designed by Jeff over ten years ago! 
So, my question for those more technically inclined than myself is...how far has the design of ss amps come in the last ten...or even twenty years? 
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Ahofer, you never responded to my comment, as to why you own expensive audio gear ( what are your components ? ), as I suggested, simply for prestige. And comparing it to a watch ? Maybe, if it is all about prestige. I believe my comparisons were more legitimate, as it showed a certain ability, familiarity and expertise, by the individuals, in their respected interests and fields. You are welcome to go on and on, but simply, I will no longer respond to you, as this " need to know " thing, is " your " thing, not mine, or anyone else’s here. So take care, and Enjoy ! MrD.
I did indeed respond in full (I have no problem enjoying it regardless of what I learn or unlearn), and I've described my system elsewhere on the forum. I can't make coherent sense out of the rest of your comment or claims of "legitimacy" whatever you mean by that.

But, by all means, show me the evidence I have missed or ignore me if you don't want to spend the time. That would be the best course of action for everyone.  
Feel free to augment or quibble, but I would call an "objectively audible difference" between amplifiers as follows: when the equipment is gain-matched to be sure the difference is not simply due to different overall volume levels, listeners can still repeatably distinguish between different pieces of equipment *only by listening*.
OK- 'objectively audible difference' sounds different (if you will pardon the expression) from 'objectively audible'; thanks for clearing that up.


The thing that bothers me about this sort of approach is that usually when I see or hear someone talking in this manner, they are usually only allowing for certain circuits (amplifiers) to be in the conversation, while out of hand rejecting others on an arbitrary basis.

The problem is that in high end audio, there is a community of designers that take different approaches to solving amplifier issues. Some of them are quite brilliant and their works stands easily on their own merits, such as David Berning or Nelson Pass and there are many more. Further, a good number of designers including those I just mentioned, are not completely convinced that they should be using amps with ultra low output impedances (which means that their amps may not act as perfect voltage sources either). In my case, I've avoided making our amps work as voltage sources with intention- as I see the approach as highly problematic. Chief among these is the well-known fact that in removing distortion, the operation of negative feedback adds some of its own, which is always audible as increased brightness and harshness. I'm not saying its bad but I am saying that most of the time its inappropriately applied or inexpertly applied, with a mediocre result, which I see as about 95% of all traditional amplifiers made.

Now the approach I take is nothing new- its what was around prior to Mac and EV developing the voltage rules that are used today. Most people don't realize that there was something before that! I'm by no means the only one doing it either- and in all cases the idea is simple: the ear will place a priority on tonality created by distortion over a tonality created by FR error. To this end, a system that has less audible distortion can sound more neutral than one that has flatter FR. You have to be pickier about the amp/speaker interface (which is what the voltage rules were designed to prevent) but it can pay off in spades, but DBX people don't like to even consider such an amplifier in a DBX trial.

@atmasphere     

Very interesting post. Why is it that you think that the DBX folks won't even consider the type of amp your are suggesting in a DBX trial? 
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i owned a Rowland 5 back in the 90’s and it was a very warm sounding amp. alway’s liked Jeff’s gear. i recently down scaled and moved into a hotel and now have a Rega Brio. Terry Bateman who designed the Brio showed a prototype to John Gandy and John thought that it was a Class A integrated and was surprised to find out that in fact it was SS. the first time i heard it, it reminded me of my old Audio Note pre-amp in some furtive ways. yes SS has come a long ways. i am hearing rich harmonic over tones similar to what i was hearing with my old all tube system, but with fast transients and articulation. the holy grail has been to realized the best of both worlds like we achieve with a live performance