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I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements

My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

kota1
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yoyoyaya
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@kota1. Now you have me really confused. Are you now saying that measurements are good as long as they validate your subjective experience?

kota1 OP
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@yoyoyaya

All of the measurements should be considered bogus that are promoting an "angle" or self serving point of view. Obviously a manufacturers measurements can be self serving to promote their product. A reviewers measurements can be used to promote traffic to their site to generate revenue. Both players may have an angle, I call bogus on both.

I auditioned, I liked. Screw the "measurements. I found it interesting that Nordost published an article that confirmed my experience. I had that setup long before Nordost even acquired QRT from the founder. That’s all. I would not recommend buying something because of a measurement, only auditioning.

Interesting how they used a "chain" of devices to generate the results. I didn’t believe them because of their measurements, I believed them because of my in home experience.

kota1 OP
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Another reason measurements are bogus is reviewers pass judgement without actually using the product. In this example the measurements are kept in context of actual usage:

The AV8805 is a significant engineering achievement, both in the complexity of the design (look at that back panel!) and in its measured performance.

This next reviewer never even used the product as part of a home theater as intended:

Conclusions
Performance here is not awful but clearly could be a lot better as sister group Denon has shown. $5,000 is a ton of money for an AV product so performance needs to be much more optimized than it is. .

Bogus, anyone buying equipment can skip both sets of measurements. One guy likes it, the other guy "meh". You need to audition at home.

 

kota1 OP
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@thespeakerdude

I always picked my wines purely on the alcohol content,

That explains it, no wonder why

You argue too much. If you want to at least appear credible post your system and in room FR measurements.

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This device is NOT bogus and is known to give very accurate measurements:

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thespeakerdude
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The thing is you can’t predict this based on how a speaker was measured or an amp was measured

 

Much more accurately, YOU cannot predict much about a speaker and how most people will feel about the sound when the room is known, and a full range of measurements are available. A lack of experience does not extend to all people.

However, even for other products your statement is still YOU, not everyone. Many amp vendors, D'Agostino, Pass, Macintosh even claim they tune their amps specifically for their sound (some have a few sounds) and that is based on a transfer function that is unique to their products or a group of their products. Given there is no way at all they can test their amplifiers with more than a small subset of speakers, but achieve reported consistent results, they have a good handle on the measured performance.  However, just a few topics over, you are advocating 100% for matched amplifiers to drivers for active speakers, which is 100% a measurement exercise. That position and your statement I quoted are at odds with each other.

 

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