Ifi Neo Streamer + Denafrips Terminator 12+

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/i2s-setting-using-denafrips-pontus-and-iris

term plus   <<--- link to info from denafrips on their website

you can contact alvin at vinshine as well, he is usually responsive

Yep, I am in touched with @nlynchard.

It seems like I need to include the iFi Neo Streamer in our Streamer X DENAFRIPS DAC project!

Cheers,

Alvin Chee 

www.vinshineaudio.com 

Oooo! Alvin! That would be awesome!!  Maybe consider some talk on AES and I2S with that streamer?

I always look forward to your vids. 

For all who haven't dealt with Alvin, this guy has knowledge and customer service skills for miles. Makes buying an overseas product (for those of us the States) feel much, much closer - personal attention, and overall great experience.

At the moment, I'm leaning toward sending the iFi Streamer back unless I can get one heck of a dramatic improvement.  Honestly, my experience with iFi has been mixed.  I've had their idsd and now the neo streamer, and, while hideous (to me) in appearance, they are definitely well made, and pack a lot of good things for their price point. To me, they have that sortof classic Burr-Brown warmth, but, having been spoiled by well implemented Sabres and now, really well done R2Rs with Denafrips, they just seem noticeably dull.  Great if not side by side with a world class DAC, but just about lifeless next to the Terminator - which, given they are 1/4th the price, makes sense.  Overall, if anyone's curious, the iFi sound to me is warm, forward, but neither the idsd or the neo seem to be great on detail.  At anything under $1200, I've found that Topping can't be beat.  It doesn't blow you away, but is still pretty wonderful for what it is - I bought the D90MQA upon release and totally blind, and still love it's signature.  It's not earth-shattering, but, to my ear, there's nothing unacceptable about it, either.  It sounds 'accurate' without an overly digital edge. 

Back to iFi, their UX/UI department must be non-existent as all the products just seem to lack any intuitive interface; I've never heard a good thing about their customer service dept.  The quality, particularly at the price, is really, really good despite, again, the looks being strange (at best) and interface being counterintuitive.  Products perform over their price point, are built over their price point (the best at the price I've seen), but have a really polarizing look . . . kindof like Chord but with less long-term cred to just be downright ugly.

To my ears, the Denafrips is a detail hound for something warm-leaning.  In some recordings, the vocals are pushed a bit back, but not with most, and this can change (I'm learning) dramatically, DRAMATICALLY on sample rate and quality.

I have to say, having been diving down the audiophile rabbit hole for a number of years, now, I never thought I would find so much fault in mixing/mastering - it just didn't occur to me.  So many of my favorite artists I would love to have a sit down with just to humbly discuss certain mixing/mastering decisions.  Here's a big one - since Elton John teamed up with TBone Burnett, his vocals are pushed way back - so much so, in Wonderful Crazy Night (which is among my very least favorite of his albums), there are whole verses I cannot fully understand - and it plays this way on every sort of system and format I've explored - leading me to believe it's intentional. Why would a person do that to any vocal track - let a lone an icon with an iconic voice - like WTAF?

Maybe it's just me, but including traditional vocals only to push them back to the point of blur just seems strange on this style of music.  Same could be said for much of The Union with Leon Russell - that down-a-hall-under-a-pillow sound on the vocals just seems strange.  And if there's some SUPER resolving system that can better reveal them - should only those few be privy to it given that some tracks can play on literally anything and sound pretty damned clear? I mean, I get there is intentionality in some distortion, but this whole making it sound (seemingly) old at the expense of clarity is just weird.  But then, hearing is vocals on Love Song in SACD some 20 years ago be so crisp and clear is pretty much my preference for everything - even if learning, years later, too much detail can give a glare and harshness.  Full circle - Denafrips house sound seems to balance this really well.  I've heard detail in Billie Eilish's When We All Asleep I never, ever knew was there.

Anyway, now I'm rambling. Forgive me for going on - sometimes I just need a place to put these thoughts, and, that people take the time to read is nice. Thank you for that.

Thanks for chiming in, Alvin!  I enjoyed the Ares II vs Enyo explanation vid!  Looking forward to that possible Neo X Denafrips vid!

Totally agree with your assessment of iFi.  I’ve got a Zen Stream that looks like something out of a Jetsons or Star Trek episode that I can no longer get to work over Wi-Fi with MconnectHD and Qobuz, and iFi help is basically non existent.  Argh.  It sounded really good when it worked though and is built like a tank.  I’ll get it working again once I can hardwire it via an Ethernet cable, but it shouldn’t have had to come to that.  Hopefully Alvin will get you up n running on i2S, and if so I look forward to hearing your impressions.  Great DAC BTW.

@soix This thread might help...

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