@urbie "Stupid & foolish? " Get off your high horse pal. No where did I state that OFC is better than OCC , or anything else technical. Likewise, I didn't state any criticism positive or negative of Neotech as I haven't heard them. I also didn't state anything one way or the other about Nordost, Infigo . or Transparent or MIT as I haven't heard them Why, because unlike you I don't make absolute statements , nor definitive critical statements about a product that I haven't heard. And, as far as Infigo goes, it sends out demos; with you just a 4 hour trek away it would have been a perfect opportunity for you to actually have arranged a comparison. Now whether or not you'd allow yourself to have conducted an open minded assessment and then have provided credible commentary of listening impressions is a whole other story. Probably not likely.