Isolation vs. Absorbtion


I am new to the audiophile hobby, and I am confused by what appears to be subjectivity and contradictions. When "mounting" a cd player and other components, is it best to use Soft Pads which ISOLATE vibration and RETAIN internal component vibration, OR is it best to use Hard Cones, which DRAIN (harmful) component vibrations into shelf material. Secondly, is it best to attach shelving to racks so that shelving makes Direct (hard) Contact - OR, should the shelving be Isolated from rack? Is there a scientific, indisputable answer?
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I am sorry for making you feel so threatend it was not my intent to. When I started to relay my passion for this idea it was not to destroy any credibility in what you have been able to acomplish with your manufacturing of stands or racks, I didnt know just how many how many sales reps and manufactures work this site to promote. Although what i have discoverd and shared on this site seams to contradict conventional ideas in some ways it actualy suports them I have helped explain some of the laws of physics that support isolation theory such as airborne resonance and coulomb friction "NAMED AFTER FRENCH PHYSICIST CHARLES AUGUSTINE DECOULOMB BORN IN 1736" I have shared and supported the platform for you products to have value based on science you sould know that. I di not say your were the best scientific approch as I do not belive that and for that I am sorry, convince me.
The real issue at hand is that you have questioned my personal credibility and that of the product I belive in,with no basis of fact simply suggesting science itself is vodo and that I am out to use big words. The people that you are suggesting can not understand me do not seem to share the opinion that this, with exception of one or two. is over thier heads in fact most of them interested have probablly started to educate themselfs to see if these sciences exist if they are in doubt I suggest you do the same. If you can build the argument you have tried on "site related" that all these facts I have pointed out will not be credible any more.Well I'm not Al Gore and your not president and I hope youy need khowledge and fact to win an argument here not just good diversion tacticts. It is anyones right to opinion people here are free to think suggest and even have commitment. My commitment is much larger than I could have ever thought possilbe I am changing carrers and hope to work directly for starsound as I belive in what they do.Currently this is the best I can do in your country just spread the word and anser questions just like everyone here I find myself losing sleep over a rack company I truly believe in. I live in canada but share this idea all over the world via internet so others may learn and enjoy as I have. I have educated myself on the principles of how it works. Becuse of my understanding of coulomb friction and forced dampened vibration I now consider myself experienced enough to share this Knowledge.
Tell me, with the exeption of hinerd sales of your product, and with some evidence to back it up, where these studies of science have went wrong.Without these studies of resonance and the fact that none of our tweaks would work without this interaction of them.
You must know this if you have even a resnonable under standing of what it is I am talking about if not look it up please.I urge you to discover the truth you may learn somthing!
Keep you ear tuned!
You have said you were in the starsound room, you then being an expert in the feild know it works. Then the fact remains that in order to feel like you have acomplised winning this argument it needs to be about who I am and ignore the real topic, am I right, am I studied on this topic, am I honest, and does this sistrum rack really work so well.
Yes! Yes! Yes! and Yes! Forgive me for being frank.
Draudio
Draudio, your post tends to indicate you have missed the point. I, for one, believe that vibration control can be regarded as the "great uncharted territory" for audiophiles. Your theories and those of others such as Neuance conform fairly closely with my own fumbling attempts to get an adequate solution to the problem. No one is rubbishing your product or scientific backing - except, ironically, yourself because of your scurrilous tactics. By using unacceptable (to at least me) tactics to promote your products you have cast a slur on your own products. Of course, others may disagree, and I am not trying to judge you but point out that the evidence is clear on this site that there are several people that do find your tactics unacceptable. But the point is you have done your products a disservice by your tactics. Now you have been "outed", you have an opportunity to act in an above-board manner and earn some credibility. I am happy to be open-minded and hope to hear more from you on this topic - but in a way that discloses your interest. I agree with Ken's suggestion above, that all you need to do is ensure you declare your interest in your sign-off to your posts. Then we will be able to respect your input. I would really like to see Ken and others such as yourself assist us to understand how to deal with vibration issues better.
Dr A,
Re:
>>>I didnt know just how many how many sales reps and manufactures work this site to promote.<<<
The only people *working* this site seems to be Starsound.In the months that I have been contributing here,I have let threads regarding my products to develop on their own, without intervention, even when it was being used in ways for which it was never intended.Unlike you, I use the forum for my own entertainment and post on topics unrelated to business.---

>>>"The real issue at hand is that you have questioned my personal credibility and that of the product I belive in..."<<<
The issue is that you have been behaving as a shill for Starsound.I have gone out of my way to avoid commenting on the Systrum's effectiveness,only the manner in which it is being promoted.---

>>>"...what i have discoverd and shared on this site seams to contradict conventional ideas..."<<<
What have you shared?I have asked directly for specific or experiental information pertaining to the sonic character,benefits and theory behind the Systrum device and have yet to receive a reply or answers to my questions from you.By doing so,I have given you the opportunity to share in detail the reasons for your enthusiasm and promote the product in a responsible manner, yet you resort to odd tactics to change to direction of the thread.Maybe you are confusing your "Dr Audio personna" for one of your other pseudonyms?Nowhere do I recall "Dr Audio" offering any explanation of the principles claimed nor even a reply that would indicate that you are familiar with its sonic or musical benefit.---

>>>"I am changing carrers and hope to work directly for starsound..."<<<
Finally, an admission of your commercial ties to the product.See, that wasn't so hard was it? If you had stated so with your first entry, this thread would not have taken the unfortunate course it has.I wish you success in your new endevour.---

>>>"You have said you were in the starsound room, you then being an expert in the feild know it works."<<<
I was not given a full demonstration and as you are aware , the uncertainty of show conditions can be most unfair to even the best of products.I heard a decent sounding room but could not make value judgement or pinpoint the contribution of the Systrum.---

>>>"... am I right, am I studied on this topic, am I honest,and does this systrum rack really work so well."(?)"<<<
Hmmm....perhaps it would be best if I refrain and leave it for others to decide for themselves.

Regards,
Ken Lyon
GreaterRanges/Neuance
Per your request Ken, a description of Sistrum Platforms

Printed With Permission / Ernie Fisher - Editor

THE INNER EAR REPORT
Authorized reprint from:
Volume 13 #2, 2001
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Sistrum Component Platforms & Audio Points

Source: Star Sound Technologies, LLC – Canada & US

Rating: 95% effective

Both Sistrum Platforms and Audio Points are designed and made by Star Sound, a company which specializes in resonance control for audio components before they are assembled into a system. They manufacture stands for components, loudspeakers, equipment racks, little cones for small components and parts used in audio and video equipment. The company has been involved in studies of vibration and resonance influencing A/V components since 1989.

We received speaker stands (actually small platforms) and a four – tier shelf about three months ago, though we only used the speaker stands in our studio set-up and with great success, we may add.

At the recent consumer electronics show in Toronto, we set up a rather elaborate system with Audio Aero monoblocks, Wyetech Lab Opal preamplifier, JMLab Mezzo Utopias, Audio Aero Capitole CD player (reviewed in this issue), speaker cables by AudioQuest, interconnects by Nordost (Quattro Fil), AC cables by JPS Labs, line conditioners by Globe Audio and speaker stands by Sistrum. The component stand was assembled by Star Sound’s Brent Riehl from the US and Rick Schultz from the Canadian office.

When we first auditioned the system, we thought that its resolving capability was a little less than what we anticipated. The Star Sound folks were at the show and we allowed them to see what they could do to improve the system’s resolution.

First, they removed the Black Diamond Racing cones, which we had under the Audio Aero monoblocks, and replaced them with their Audio Points – three under each power amplifier and smaller ones under our two line conditioners. The Sistrum Stand, also used in our show set-up comes equipped with Audio Points and three were used under the CD player, another three under the preamplifier’s power supply and three under our preamplifier.

Appearance:

First, the Audio Point cones. They are made of solid brass and are available in 28 size and thread combinations so they can be used with virtually all speakers and/or electronic components. The sizes vary from miniature to 2 inch cones with assorted diameters.

The Sistrum Stand comes with four or six platforms and consists of three rods which accommodate triangular platforms (stands). The same platforms can be used under speaker cabinets or single components and offer adjustable Audio Points to literally suspend the equipment placed on top. The hollow rods are made of stainless steel and accommodate an inner core which connects and couples the top platform to the Audio Points at the base. The design is beautiful, despite the fact that it is based on function. Which brings us to the sound…

Technology:

The design is based on a physics phenomenon known as Coulomb Friction named after Charles Augustin deCoulomb, a French physicist 1736-1806. In 1789 Coulomb retired from his positions as military engineer and superintendent of waters and fountains and dedicated all his time to scientific research. He was known for his work on electricity, magnetism and friction; and he invented a magnetoscope, a magnetometer and a torsion balance that he employed in determining torsional elasticity and in establishing Coulomb’s law.

The unit of quantity of electric charge, the coulomb, is named in his honour. The absolute coulomb, the current U.S. legal standard, is the amount of charge transferred in 1 second by a current of 1 ampere; i.e., it is 1 ampere-second. Coulomb’s law in physics states that the electrostatic force between two charged bodies is proportional to the product of the amount of charge on the bodies divided by the square of the distance between them. If the bodies are oppositely charged, one positive and one negative, they are attracted toward one another; if the bodies are similarly charged, both positive or both negative, the force between them is repulsive.

Coulomb’s law applies exactly only when the charged bodies are much smaller than the distance separating them and therefore can be treated approximately as point charges. When combined with principles of quantum physics, Coulomb’s law helps describe the forces that bind electrons to an atomic nucleus and atoms together into molecules.

Armed with this information, the Star Sound folks reasoned that most coupling or isolation devices currently on the market work by modifying or changing resonances. However, some become resonance storage devices which allow only some, if any, resonances to be channeled away from the equipment.

The Audio Point is designed to “recognize” amplitude developed when the Coulomb Friction is drained from the equipment. When placed in direct contact under equipment, the AP directs the resonant energies’ into the surface on which it is resting.

In our set-up, the Sistrum Stand’s three hollow supporting steel rods were filled with “liquid iron” (about 2 quarts are needed). Star Sound states that crushed ore or liquid iron are the best substances with which to fill the steel supporting rods. As an alternative, different materials can be used for filling the rods. White silica, a pulverized dry glass, adds density to the main support rods; it is a non-conductive material which adds mass and stability and is recommended instead of sand.

For better stability, steel shot is recommended. Steel conducts energy to the grounding pathway and assures speedy transfer. Lead is not recommended for it is an energy absorbing material, thereby curtailing energy transfer – not appropriate for this system as the Audio Point and Sistrum Platforms (stands) conduct resonant vibrations from components to the steel shelves and then to the ground.

The Sistrum Platform is made up of a laser cut triangular structure and Audio Point cones. The design is said to accelerate the flow of energy to the outer steel support rods, thereby channeling harmful energy away from components.
Now let’s get to the real stuff…

The Sound:

Coned to the hilt, we auditioned the system and noted a number of improvements over an almost identical system auditioned in-house a few months earlier.

Firstly, the sound stage clearly heightened by a couple of feet, thereby presenting a more realistic portrayal of a live performance.

Secondly, as soon as the Black Diamond cones were replaced with Audio Points, resolution, especially in the lower bass regions, improved quite dramatically.

Thirdly, inner detail, articulation and sense of space and transparency became more readily perceived. We regarded the improved information as more authentic when compared to a live performance.

To ascertain effectiveness, we first removed the small cones under the line conditioner and noticed very little change. Next, we removed the speaker stands (platforms); and we agreed that poorer sound resulted. We then removed the Audio Points from under the amplifiers and felt resolution suffered. The Sistrum Stand is made up of parts which couldn’t be “auditioned” individually. However, since we had the CD player and preamplifier on ordinary shelves prior to the “tweak”, we know that an analogy is nonsensical. In other words, the stand works extremely well and should be considered an integral part of any high-end audio system.

The system sounded very good, before “tweaking”, but improved by a whopping 10 to 15% overall-considering the price/benefits ratio, a great deal.

Synopsis & Commentary:

It’s obvious to us that a lot of thought and significant amount of research time has been devoted to this unusual and effective rack system. Having said this, we’d like to point out that some tweaks are very effective and readily appreciable and some are almost inaudible to inexperienced listeners. Of the many “gadgets” on the market to improve sound, few, if any, are designed to correct all existing mechanically induced acoustical problems.

To correct or improve a system’s sound, it is wise to follow the same routine as when assembling a synergistic system – namely, careful selection. Thus, one type of resonance control device, such as a cone, isn’t going to work well with all system configurations. A somewhat hard sounding system will likely benefit from devices such as the Racing Cones, which will contribute to the overall timbre and sensitivity, but will also take the edge off frequency extremes.

A system with full-range speakers, musical sounding amplifiers – especially vacuum tube gear – and source components, however, will benefit more with cones such as the Audio Points.

Folks with spiked floorstanding loudspeakers, regardless of make, should replace the spikes with Audio Points, for the audible benefits here are considerable and quite appreciable.

It is every audiophile’s goal to place their equipment on resonance-free stands – and we know of none better that the Sistrum system which allows a logical arrangement by customizing the stand to fit the requirements. When completed, all components on the “shelf” are coned away from a surface, thereby eliminating vibration and the resulting resonances. Readers should remember that an audio system amplifies information, thus creating perpetual amplification of resonating bodies as well as an audio signal.

Though the Audio Point/Sistrum system takes a while to assemble and fine-tune, the results are worth every minute of invested time, as the system works very well, is versatile and it’s pleasing to the eye to boot. We believe it is a very handsome design which also manages to look very professional.

The Audio Point/Sistrum Stand’s real distinction, however, is how it enhances the enjoyment of listening to music.

Ernie Fisher – Editor
The Inner Ear Report