Let's forget about being politically correct

No perciever, no percieved, only perciev-ing.

Just like when you are deeply listening to music, or anything beautiful. We already know "it".

Yes, personal proximity would be nice...

Have a nice wkend everyone. (rising, jubilant, near delirious cheers from the gallery!! :0)

Eyes see, mind clicks; Ears hear mind clicks; Tongue tastes mind clicks; skin senes mind clicks; nose smell, mind clicks; receptions (ideas) mind clicks. (6 senses)

eyes see?, or mind sees?

Eyes see? one is a dumb.
Mind sees? blackness. (Like closing your eyes, blind).

But the idea is; it is not inside, not outside, not everywhere, not anywhere...(fill in the blank)

Interesting, heh? :-)

Bye

Asa, I ask this only philosophicaly. Why not just kill yourself now? Is it the death or the dying you seek? Are you seeking or escaping? If life is only vanity, why bother? I see this life as an ever moving journey and science as my vehicle. My being in the being. The silence, if its truly exists, may be inevitable. Its more likely to find me than the other way around. 6chac, I must be the "barnyard animal" because your metaphors continue to escape me, I suppose you attribute that to the din of me mascicating my materialism.

YOW !!! I'm sticking to reading "The Far Side" or "Dilbert" and laughing. All of this other stuff makes my head hurt too much.... Sean
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Asa: sorry I have been participating lately but I have been out of town. As far as the realm of the universe, it is only in spiral galaxies that they cannot account for the missing mass, however in very recent research, they can account for all the mass in elliptical galaxies, they do not need an ad hoc solution like dark matter. So I am almost skeptical about dark matter. Dark energy though is a different idea. Recent research does suggest that the galaxies are receding from each other at a faster rate. And the data comes from very reliable Supernova 1a measurements.
Nothing is ever set in stone in cosmology, astrophysics, or astronomy, but it is very enlightening none the least.

One question: are you a strong or weak anthropic principle
advocate? Or is that another can of worms? :^)