Linear tracking turntables, whatever happened?


Curious as to the demise and downfall of the seemingly short lived linear tracking TT.
Just from a geometry point of view I would have thought a linear arm should be superior to one with a fixed pivot that sweeps through an arc.
Obviously there is much more to it than that, sort of the reason for this thread.
I am genuinely interested in trying one out for myself as well.
128x128uberwaltz
Dear @uberwaltz: The TT's you ask for have many limitations and some of them are: some models accepts only plug-in cartridges, others work with cartridges inside a limited weigth range or compliance range, cartridge alignment/tonearm is dedicated you can't change it, in some  you married with the tonearm where you can't change it's " flavor " as with removable headshell normal tonearms, audiophiles do not take very seriously those units, are unexpensive and does not "impress/impact " our friends when see it,  etc, etc.

In the other side, as pivoted tonearm linear tracking tonearm has its own trade-offs ( does not exist the perfection in audio. ) no matters what.

I owned the Southern, Denessen and the ET and listened the Forsell, the Kuzma and the ones coming in the Rockport/Walker and Goldmund TTs. The ones listened in other systems I have to say very good megabuck systems.

Well, certainly performs a little different than good pivot tonearm designs and the main difference is a critical one: I never heard that its wuality low bass performance been with the rigthness that only can be achieved through a pivot tonearm designs. This is a crucial negative trade-off because bass range quality level performance affects all the system frequency range.
The quality level performance in any room/system depends first than all in that bass range management.

The Tales tonearm is a pivot design with almost no tracking distortions because tracks in linear way.

Btw, some one in this thread posted that the linear tracking tonearm performs with better soundstage and other audiophile sound characteristics adjectives than the pivoted ones but no one of those adjectives exist in the recording and certainly never in a live MUSIC at near field position where the recording microphones are " seated ", there are no facts.

You can go with the Tales.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Rauliruegas
I owned the Southern, Denessen and the ET

@rauliruegas 
Would you be so kind, and tell the Audiogon Readers, how one goes about setting up the Eminent Technology tonearm for the very best bass.

Good question about a myth perpetuated by early “prominent” reviewers whose understanding of proper setup was limited. The ET2 gives me superior bass to any of the pivoting arms that I mentioned previously in terms of natural tonality and, most importantly, agility. Except, of course, unless one considers the overblown and exaggerated bass that the SME V produced in my system to be “better”. Now, re sounstaging? Haven’t had my coffee yet; so, later 😊
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Dear @ct0517 : I admire your " devotion " to the ET but even that each tonearm has its own trade offs as I already posted.

In those times I bougth new a SOTA TT that came with the ET mounted. As a fact I did it due to really well regarded audio magazynes reviews. No I'm not an expert on the ET but now let me to ask you:

how many times did you listen ( at a good home dedicated  room full range audio sytems. ) the Rockport, Walker, Goldmund or Kuzma top TT's ? and which are the ET trade-offs?

@frogman certainly the SME V is not the best example for rigth low bass range, you can have better bass range for it but needs some tweaks.

Maybe both of you need to listen somewhere what I mean with the rigthnes on low bass range. Obviously the best way is in a live music event at near field position ( 1-3m. ) from the source.

I don't want to convice any one about and is only my opinion that even is not the main subject on this thread. So please ct05 do not make a " big deal " about.

R.