Looking For A Dialogue Around Using An Ortofon MC2000 In My Current System


As a bit of history, I used to work in a stereo store part time as a college student. This store was an Ortofon dealer and the owner was a fan of the MC2000, and we typically had one in the store. I was too poor to afford it, but it was always on my want list. Last week I came across an MC2000 on an audio site and bought it. This one is as close to a time capsule as we can get for vintage MC cartridges. While not NOS its in perfect shape with Ortofon outer box, Styrofoam, intter box, all the tools, the graphs, two stylus guards, and even an Ortofon stick pin I presume for you to wear to audio shows to signify you are an MC2000 owner. The stock and irreplaceable cantilever is there and its straight, and rides high. Of course the unknown is diamond wear, and so I am planning to send it out for evaluation and consideration for diamond replacement. 

 

Now the question becomes how to use it. First comes a suitable arm. I have two Dynavector DV505 for a Scheu Das Laufwerk No2 turntable that I can use, and also a Supex SL4 headshell that weighs 5.5 grams or so. I have the stock headshell that comes with the MC2000, but that looks to weigh 10 grams, and this cartridge is highly compliant. I also have a SME V that is spec'd between 10 and 11 grams. I almost consider the SME to be the best match for this application, but then that regulated the number of hours I might use that table as the MC2000 isn't going to be a daily driver cartridge. 

 

Next question is how to get enough gain for it. The owner apparently has the T2000, but is unwilling to part with it at this time. So ideally I would like to find a T2000. I also have an MC3000, and so need the step up for it, and I happen to also have a MC200u. My Esoteric E-03 has 40 db of gain on MM mode, and I have a Graham Slee Accession that is 41.5 dB of gain. The Esoteric is 66 dB in MC mode. So until I locate a T2000 I wondered what options I have. Jensen makes a high output SUT that is 31 dB of gain and seems to be the best choice. I do not see any active pre-pre amps that can do the job. Any thoughts here?

 

As a crazy thought, the Accession has a direct mode that bypasses all RIAA equalization, so its really a pre pre amp then. But placing the Esoteric ahead of it means you are looking at a gain structure of over 80 dB. Probably not a good idea, but I wonder if it could work. Just brainstorming here. Of course the perfect solution is to find a T2000, or even in a pinch a T3000 for the interim till I do locate a T2000. Problem is these SUT have collectors value and they seem to go for silly money these days. But that is what it is, and you have to pay the piper. 

 

So any thoughts on the best way to get this MC2000 integrated into the system?

neonknight

@neonknight 

Just a little info that may be of help.

I have owned Dynavector arms ( along with many others )  for 30 years and have used them with a variety of cartridges. The Dynavector has high effective mass in the horizontal plane, and lower effective mass in the vertical plain. This means the low frequency peak will be much lower than a conventional arm as it is split over 2 frequencies due to the split effective mass.. Also in the horizontal plane it has electromagnetic damping which helps to control low frequency resonance in the horizontal mode ( where the high mass is ).

I have been quite surprised at the results with high compliance cartridges in this arm despite the high horizontal effective mass. They have been excellent.

I would not be too worried about using the DV505 for the high compliance Ortofon MC2000.

 

 

Raul, you are wrong in your comments about my system. Ridiculously presumptuous in fact.

@dover

@lewm 

 

Thanks guys, having confirmation that both of you have had no ill effects of the higher horizontal mass of the DV505 with high compliance cartridges sets my mind at ease. My plans will be to use it on the DV505 when the cartridge gets serviced and returned. I suppose I could run it now before it gets sent off, the Esoteric is 66 dB on MC mode, so given how much gain I get out of the Halcro and AVM Audio amps I may very well just get a taste of the cartridge before it gets sent off. 

Lew, it's not presumptuous, it is only what you posted. Read your post: MC2000 " anemic " sound in comparison with the Manley+cables++++

If you said that MC2000 is anemic with your 2 active high gain phono stages then you are in trouble like it or not. 

R.

@neonknight  : Never mind, not important but thank's.

 

Btw, in one of my MC2000 samples I sended to VDH for a change of cantilever/stylus and I did it not because it need it but to compare aginst the original and my experience is that with the boron cantilever and VDH stylus the cartridge is way better quality performer.

 

R.