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Looking for Better Jitter Reduction in a DAC

I'm looking to improve the jitter control in my digital setup, which hopefully will create a more analogue presentation. I own a PS Audio PW Memory Transport, which sports a FPGA, and a Nuwave DSD DAC with a scaled-down version of the gate array.

   I have owned a Chord which uses this technology and it was like listening to analogue recordings. I sold it only because it's soundstage was very forward, like sitting in the front row of a concert hall. My current PS Audio setup has wide and deep imaging, as does my Atma-Sphere preamp.
   I have auditioned the Schiit Grundir and it was a bit too fast in the attack and transients, but had the dynamics and deep imaging that I like. So, I guess what I'm looking for is a unit with a laid-back, realistic musical presentation.

The Mytek Digital Stereo192 DSD and Blue Circle DAC are in my price range, but there is no way to audition them.
  So any recommendation and advice is appreciated. DSD preferred, budget is about $1200 used.


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audioengr
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If the jitter is truly low from the transport, then the problem is likely the DAC.  If the DAC does not have a good volume control technology in it, this could be the problem too.  Perhaps not that much better than the preamp, just different.

I want you to try modifying the CD disks themselves.  This will lower jitter even more.  There are several steps you can take:

1) get a really good treatment solution from Jena Labs and treat the disks.  Spray it on and then rub with a lint-free cloth outwards.  I believe they provide the cloth.

2) try putting the disk under a fluorescent light, up close for 20 seconds before you load it

3) use a degausser, like those used to erase the older cassettes on the top of the disk - this removes charge

4) the best treatment is actually to put a rubbery coating on the top of the disk, avoiding the center where it is chucked


Another thing you can do is rip the CD and then rewrite it to a Mitsui Gold audio master blank disk, after treating the blank disk.

It's actually must simpler just to rip the disk and then play it back using a computer audio solution, like USB or Ethernet.  I also makes your entire library more convenient and you don't have to listen to tracks that you don't like.  Jitter will be much lower than any transport too.


Steve N.

Empirical Audio

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dlcockrum
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Looking forward to reading your results from this advice lowrider. I have all of.these tweaks (Jena labs CD polish, AVM, Acoustic Revive CD degausser) from years of trying nonsense and would be glad to loan them to you as I found them to be a complete waste of time and money. 

You already have a great transport that buffers and reclocks so none of this makes any sense excepting a better DAC which I suspect to be Steve's endgame anyway. He does make a good one. 

Best of luck to you lowrider.

Dave
audioengr
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I bought this plastic spray from Home Depot and put a shield over the disks I made from thin card stock to protect the center hub.  This rubbery coating makes a BIG difference.  You used to be able to buy rings made of similar material and glue them to the disk.  The other things make a small difference, but audible if you have a resolving enough system.


Steve N.

Empirical Audio

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lowrider57 OP
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@audioengr , thanks for your interest and advice, Steve.
The PS Audio transport gets high marks for jitter control from users online. My PSA DAC is their budget model which uses ESS Sabre chips (no detailed info available), and does not use a FPGA device like their other DAC’s. So, I think there may still be some value to trying a reclocking unit.
It does use passive filtering and casts a 3D soundstage with excellent dynamics. The superb sonic characteristics is why I’m trying to make it work in my system.

As for as computer audio, I do have a Mac with CD rips and downloads, but currently it is not running certain apps like music players. There are some system extension errors and I need to get it serviced.
FYI, I still enjoy collecting CD’s and vinyl, especially imports. And I am an obsessive collector :-)

I will attempt to treat some CD’s; it’s interesting that you believe a disk can hold a magnetic charge. I think that the plastic coating may be capable of holding a static charge.
Many thanks, Jim
audioengr
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I used to mod DACs, about 20 different ones.  They all had strengths and weaknesses and many had poor design features that were obviously copied from another manufacturer that knew little about it too, even Sony did this.  The most common thing I found was insufficient power decoupling for the D/A chips and the op-amps.  Another thing I found was ground-planes that were broken-up, sliced and diced by traces, causing crazy current return paths.  Another is too many op-amps in series.  These things usually lead to an un-dynamic sound and a thinness, even harshness.  This is the deficiency with most preamps and amps too.  Another typical thing they do is put a 50 ohm BNC for the 75 ohm S/PDIF input connector.  Duh!!


Steve N.

Empirical Audio

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