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Magico Q3's at Goodwin's High End

Just a quick note to say that Goodwin's High End (in Boston) along with Alon Wolf presented a demonstration of the Magico Q3's yesterday.

As usual, it was a class act by Goodwin's and a real treat overall. Mr. Wolf fielded a number of questions about the speakers (and Magico's approach to design) and his detailed responses were fascinating.

The Q3's sounded spectacular. They were setup in Goodwin's huge listening room (20x30x11) and they were positioned quite wide apart and deep into the room (almost halfway). I was transported to the symphony hall with a few tracks - like nothing I've ever experienced before. They were driven with very expensive electronics, inluding huge Boulder amps that were 1000w each (if I'm not mistaken) to compensate for the size of the room.

The Q3 is a modest size floorstanding loudspeaker, but it weighs 250lbs! Like the Q5 (if you've ever heard it) it is very clean and neutral sounding. Definitely a speaker that lets you listen into the music rather than wow you with a forward presentation. Besides classical, we heard some jazz, some instrumental and a cut from Jennifer Warnes Famous Blue Raincoat that was stunning. These speakers don't call any attention to themselves. They were so coherent and produced such an impressive soundstage that it didn't feel like they were the source of the sound. Jennifer's voice had no artifacts (sibilence, etc) that it was like she was standing there. I feel I finally heard how the record was supposed to sound.

Anyways, I'm not trying to do a proper review here, but I did want to thank Goodwins and Magico for the opportunity and I thought I would share my initial impresssions.

Would love to know what other folks at the presentation(s) thought.
madfloyd
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I would tend to agree with Audiofeil and Peterayer´s observations. It would seem the ´size` of the voice would correlate more to mic placement more than anything else, at least that is my experience or what I perceive.

That space and silence between is resolution, getting closer to what was recorded and as a result, greater realism, no small feat with any system, and then maintaining scale. I am quite interested in the Magicos in general for what listeners have observed concerning their presentation.
martykl
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Does anyone seriously think that Tyson,Neville, and Barbra provide "irrefutable" evidence that there's NO (positive) correlation between body size and certain characteristics of a person's voice (pitch/power)?

It is certainly anecdotal evidence against a positive correlation, while ...say... the long, historical parade of "plus sized" professional sopranos is anecdotal evidence of a positive correlation (as to power, at least).

I can't say with any certainty, but I'd suspect from my own anecdotal experience that a statistical analysis would bear out John's point. (That there is a positive correlation.) I'd also guess that John's reasoning is probably correct - chest volume, certain muscle mass, and vocal chord length (probably among a whole bunch of other things) are probably highly correlated with pitch and/or power. Those physical characteristics, themselves, are also likely to be highly (tho not perfectly) correlated with body size - accounting both for the correlation AND for the exceptions noted above.

That is just a guess. The real point is that no one has posted any "irrefutable" evidence to this thread one way or the other.

I can say with certainly that any positive correlation (if it exists) is not perfect. I can also say with certainty that Bill's assertion is not "irrefutable". It is an overstatement. (surprise.)

Marty

BTW, I also agree that, in all likelihood, none of this has anything to do with the OP's original point.
jdoris
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Big Joe Turner (6'2"/300 lbs.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PLz_zOobMY&feature=related

Big Mama Thornton (unknown, but considerable):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE&feature=related

Don't singers and guitars both have bodies?

I hope Big Joe and Big Mama sound big on the Magico's!

John
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almarg
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With respect to the discussion of voice reproduction, I think that two separate issues may be getting commingled here.

One has to do with voice CHARACTER, whether the singer's voice is "big" or "small" or something in between, whether that character is reproduced accurately, and the degree to which that character relates or doesn't relate to the singer's physical stature.

The other issue, which I believe is what Folkfreak was referring to when he said
06-16-11: Folkfreak
On my comment on singer stature. I guess this is the vocal corollary of the 7' wide guitar -- somehow there's just a size that seems natural.
is whether or not the IMAGE SIZE of the reproduced voice is properly scaled. One factor that can significantly distort that is an overemphasis of certain frequencies in the treble region. I recall from listening to test tones some years ago that some parts of the treble spectrum (especially around 8kHz, although I may not be recalling that number correctly) will be perceived as coming from a point well above the speakers. Therefore an overemphasis of that part of the spectrum, whether introduced by the speakers, the rest of the system, the room, or the recording, will tend to stretch the image size vertically. Obviously that would be more likely to affect female voice than male voice.

Regards,
-- Al
martykl
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John,

"Don't singers and guitars both have bodies?"

Yes. And both have vibrating strings (or cords), too.

Marty
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