MC Output Voltage - Impact on Noise


Question; how does the output voltage of a moving coil cartridge affect/interact with the phono with regards to overall noise in a system? For example, the Dynavector DTR XV-1s has a very low output of .3mv; a Transfiguration Orpheus has a higher output of .48mv... is that a 'significant' difference in output voltage? Also, if you use these cartridges in rig that utilizes super sensitive horn loudspeakers would one be inherently quieter than the other?
stickman451
0.48 mv compared with 0.3 mv is a difference of about 4.1 db, calculated as 20 times the logarithm (base 10) of the two voltages.

Which means that for equal volume levels you will turn up the volume control on your preamp to a point that provides 4.1db more gain with the 0.3mv cartridge than the setting you would use with the 0.48 mv cartridge. Which in turn will, in the case of the lower output cartridge, boost the noise/hiss levels that are generated at the front end of the system (primarily by the phono stage) by 4.1 db, relative to what they would be with the higher output cartridge.

That is a significant difference but not a huge one. Although if your phono stage (whether separate or in your preamp) has noise/hiss levels that are marginal for use with low output cartridges, it might mean the difference between acceptable and unacceptable hiss levels.

However, I see in your system description that you are presently using a 20XL, which also has a 0.3mv output. So going to a 0.48mv cartridge would result in your setting the volume control 4db lower, rather than higher. That would REDUCE front-end generated noise or hiss, which is usually the predominant source of noise or hiss in a system because any noise generated there is amplified by everything that follows.

The concerns resulting from using extremely efficient speakers would be:

1)That you don't want the overall system gain, and the output voltage from the cartridge, to be such that you end up using the volume control near the bottom of its range. If you are not presently approaching that situation with your 0.3mv cartridge, you should still be ok with a 0.48mv cartridge.

2)That noise or hiss generated by what follows the volume control (i.e., the power amplifier) is acceptably low when reproduced by the speakers. Which is a separate issue that is unrelated to the cartridge and the phono stage.

Hope that helps,
-- Al
Correction: The first sentence of my preceding post should have read "0.48 mv compared with 0.3 mv is a difference of about 4.1 db, calculated as 20 times the logarithm (base 10) of the RATIO OF THE two voltages."

-- Al
With my Hovland HP-100 at average phono listening levels I am typically at the noon to 2 o'clock position on the volume control, so moving to a .48mv output from a .30mv would move the control back to a typical range of 10 to straitht-up...correct? The volume control works in 2db increments.