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My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!

So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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viber6
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thezaks,

The music I listen to is very complex and subtle. To get full appreciation of it, I must concentrate to a similar degree which is required to watch a detective movie or Shakespeare play with its complex language. You can listen/watch these art forms in a relaxed state, but you will only get a limited and superficial level of enjoyment by doing that.

No, I’m not talking about analyzing the freq response of the music and other technical details. I defy the super brain of superman to "read’ the grooves in the LP or the digits in the CD and come away with an understanding of the music. I am talking about having a musical understanding from keen, insightful listening. Accurate, detailed audio components make this easier--you can more easily hear musical strands using such components compared to euphonic ones. Once the accurate component reveals the musical information, you can go back to the euphonic component and hear the details, but if you listen to the euphonic one first, you won’t hear it, and you won’t know what you are missing.

Even simple music such as a slow soft guitar accompanying a singer should be listened to carefully to appreciate the nuances. When I tune my violin, I play a single note of A 440 Hz and then fifths with the D and E strings softly and carefully, listening and thinking for a few seconds about what I hear. The general principle is that no matter what music you listen to, it should be done with the goal of hearing more of its details, which will make the sensory experience richer. Everyone savors a sip of wine slowly--nobody should swig it down the throat like water. They should do the same with their music, whatever it is.

Talking about whether MY definition of "musical" is subjective or not really is a comparatively trivial endeavor. I do criticize the conventional a-phile definition of "musical" as merely being a pleasurable combination of sounds subtracting the harsh aspects. Someone who finds these sounds to be harsh, I may not. Provided that the SPL is not too loud, they are not harsh, but they are part of the complete musical content. So if anything, logically speaking, the conventional a-phile definition of "musical" sound is actually un-musical to a certain extent, meaning that some of the musical information in such audio systems is missing.

viber6
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Blah, blah, Mark Levinson.  I had the original ML 2's which put him on the map.  New, they were dry bones sterile.  Quickly they turned into syrupy warm euphonic crap.  Even ARC tube amps at the time were more exciting and neutral.  Later no. 20 was still quite euphonic.  Then about 10-15 years ago, the tall upright ambitious class D (no 53?) appeared at about $50K/pair, and got terrible reviews.

Let's hear more of your Mephisto monos in shootouts, etc.

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daveyf
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@jays_audio_lab If you are using more than one outlet and are not using a dedicated line, then you run the risk of ground loops ( or you are running more than one dedicated line..and the same thing applies!), which maybe is the reason you are hearing the results you are with the Nordost ground blocks. However, I think a better solution is to run a single dedicated line, like I stated above, and run a good power distributor off that line. Your mono blocks and other gear should have no issues with that. Are you even running a dedicated line(s)?

 

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jays_audio_lab OP
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Yes - 4 dedicated lines

chayro
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Hi Jay - I’ve posted maybe twice before to your thread. Big solid-state amps and inefficient speakers aren’t my thing really, but I have enjoyed following your journey from an intellectual standpoint. A long time ago when I was trying to build a relatively expensive system for myself, an audio salesman gave me a piece of advice that I have found to hold up over the years, as opposed to much of what we hear thrown around. He said, and I paraphrase - Decide what you want to keep and build your system around it. Somewhat simplistic, but there’s a lot of truth to it. Now I’m going to be a little blunt, but just to save space and not to be critical. IMO, you have decided that you want to keep the Mephistos because they expose every flaw in the system. So now you are building the rest of the system around them with cables, stands, footers and whatever else you may do to make them sound "good" to your ears. Nothing wrong with that, but is it possible (theoretically of course) that the Mephistos just sound harsh and analytical and you have to compensate by softening them? What if the Furutech outlet is the "truth" and is just exposing the fact that the rest of your system is "wrong" See what I’m saying? I think that no matter how you want to describe it, in the end you are deciding what you want to keep and are building your system around it. And BTW - as far as being true to the source, I worked in the recording industry for several years in my youth and I think that anyone else who has will back me up on this - mastering engineers do not necessarily mix for what they consider to be the best sound. They mix to get a sound they believe will compensate for the inaccuracies in the systems of the real world. For example, when we mixed a disco song, we would often mix with less bass than we wanted to hear to compensate for the fact that many clubs had huge amounts of bass EQ dialed in to their systems and to mix with what sounded good to us would overload their systems. Just an example. So my point here is not to criticize - just to add another possible fork in the road of the journey you are on. And please, be careful with that heavy stuff. I hurt my back 2 years ago and it is not fun, I assure you. Regards.

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