New Construction Acoustic Design & Consulting


I need a professional consultant to work with my architect to help build as perfect a listening room over my garage as possible. RIVES is one possibility but I don't want to spend 10K just for the consulting work. I would like to build in as much sound isolation and room treatment as possible like that done for this person:
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue16/lavigneroom.htm--

Could I use ASC as a primary consultant and RIVES for after the room is built to do the final touch ups and room treatment? They only charge $100 for the engineer to help render sketches and make suggestions for the contractor.

acousticsciences.com

I would need detailed plans so that the architect would know how to impliment the built-in bass traps etc. I would need help with the specifics of window and door selection (materials) and placement, room dimensions, ceiling slope, floating floor, isolation etc... Please also see the list of ideas below. RIVES charges a fortune to render drawings based on a computer modeling system. I am not sure all of that makes sense until after the room is built, furnished and then tested, but certainly it is advantageous to build in as much acoustic isolation and treatment as possible from an aesthetic and cost perspective. Please comment on some of the suggestions below:

Room sizes

13X21X8 Feet
14 X18X8 Feet

windows o.k.
According to Dave Wilson

1. pitch ceiling height lower over speakers, higher over listener
2. Build bass traps into the wall
3. Corner loaded bass traps
4. Bass trap all four vertical corners and the ceiling perimeter corner with a soffit bass trap
5. Room dimensions:
Must over-size room by minimum of 6 inches walls, floor, and ceiling to allow for buildouts for acoustic treatments and sound isolation
A. 13-15 feet wide by 15-23 feet long
B. Room height 7-9 feet
must account for additional height of "floating floor"
C. Wall/stud resonance treatment and constrained layer damping: 1. Sandwich two layers of sheetrock. ? Gyproc Soundbloc 1.5 soundproofing plasterboard 2. Suspend sheetrock off studs by screwing into resilient metal fir strips called "z-metal" or "RC-1" 2. Visco damping material {1/16 " thick double sided adhesive visco-elastic sheet} is applied between the z-metal and the first sheet rock layer and a second visco-elastic sheet between the first and second layers. In place
of double sided adhesive visco-elastic sheet, can 100% glue to both sides a layer of sound board {firtex or celotex}. ? Staggered studs. The ceiling must be treated the same way.
D. Locate entry door behind the listner but on a SIDE WALL {nowhere near the speakers since the door will raddle} NOT ON A BACK WALL AND not flush to the corner and at least 2 feet from the corner. Door cannot rattle? Heavy acoustic door/frame?
E. Windows are very tympanic and should be avoided. Tall narrow windows are best.
Must not use standard thermal type instead use 2 layers of thick laminated glass [like that used for glass shelving in stores] separated by at least 4 inches of air space. The air space must be vented into the wall cavity. Set the glass into a bed of visco-elastic damping material. The glass sheets should be of different thicknesses.
F. Lighting should be subdued, indirect, and dimmable. Do not use standard wall dimmers since they will often hum or buzz. Use a variable voltage transformer. Consider low voltage lighting. Do not use ceiling cans, they rattle. The best light has a ceiling bezel and lens of thick rounded glass. Consider creating a false ceiling to hide projector, cabling, HVAC
ventilation big problem if room needs to be airtight to insure adequate sound isolation and room damping from the rest of the house
G. Address side wall, rear wall, and ceiling reflections which are determined by speaker placement. Room dimensions must account for acoustic panels
dbk
Mike,

IMHO After reading everything. There has been some good advise.

I just wanted to touch on few things. I would qwestion a floating floor due to lack of coupling between the sub-floor the floating floor and the speakers. Consider sloaping the walls and a coffered ceiling.

Having been a residential remodel carpenter for 5 years of this life, the contractor you choose is every bit as important as the architect or accoustical engineer IMHO. Don't let this job to just any old contractor. I would recomend contacting some accoustical engineers in your area to see which contractors they work with.

Remodel is both art and science for a carpenter find one that loves what they do.

Michael
Michael; i assume your post is directed at me. this thread was started by Dbk....who mentioned the 'floating floor'. my floor is directly glued to the concrete and is real wood venier over a composite wood base....very solid. my site is very dry and i keep my room temperature constant...so a glued floor will work.

my walls are all non-parallel although they are not sloped.....the ceiling was quite involved....including coffering and chambers.

if you read my article you know my choice of contractor was one that i had a 20 year relationship with. i have done 15 or so projects totaling over $5M with this guy. his forman is an artist and that skill was needed.

i completely agree with your advice and followed it myself.
Stehno, no need to apologize...no offense taken.

you and i both agree on the 'art' factor of the Exqusites....they always brought me pleasure just looking at them...the VR9's are at best 'industrial'. to be fair.....my VR9's will be in Piano Black; which should look quite a bit better than the silver at CES.
Thanks everyone for all of your comments. A few more questions:

1. Since the "floating floor" concept seems a bit controvercial, how can I get a solid floor that is uncoupled from the walls and solid even though it is the ceiling of the garage below?

2. What is best for a ceiling design:

A) Custom diffusion panels and soffit base traps
B) "Beamed ceiling where the beams are spaced perhaps no more than 3 or 4 ft apart starting at the front (behind the speakers) and then perhaps every 3ft going toward the rear of the room."
C) Coffered ceiling design
D) Combinations of the above????