New Teres Direct Drive Motor Available as Option

Provocative comment:

Fella's I have to say after switching to a Garrard 301 idler drive I'll nver go back to a belt. This seems like the same premise and is very interesting IMHO.

A good customer of Frank Schroeder owns a Loricraft 301 and 501. They sit adjacent to each other on a wide shelf.

You know how he drives them? Using the 'table which isn't playing as a motor pod belt drive system for the other one.

It's the only modular belt drive system I know of whose motor pod comes with its own Schroeder Reference tonearm (grin).

There are lots of ways to solve a problem, and saying that the architecture dictates success or failure (rather than the design and implementation), is drawing the wrong conclusion.

This dialog comes up time and again whether it involves electronics, turntables, speakers, etc.

People incorrectly attribute the "goodness" of a component to the chosen architecture instead of the fact that they are experiencing a mature, well thought out design developed by someone who knows what real music sounds like.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier

Thom has hit this one right on the money. Its so easy to attribute the success or failure of a component to a specific element of the design or architecture when it is the series of design decisions and the implementation of the design that makes the most difference. Otherwise, there would be very little difference in components. You could just cookie cut any component "Add 2 of these caps, three of these resistors, simmer with tubes and install in a resonance proof case". Burn in for 250 hours and listen ;~)

Thom, what a cool idea! By using one platter as the pulley to drive the other, I think (if I remember my Newtonian mechanics correctly) there is less stretching force on the belt and a lower likelihood of slippage, ergo less speed irregularity (because the driving platter will have a huge mechanical advantage compared to a tiny pulley). Moreover, the driver Loricraft constitutes a high torque motor, as opposed to the very low torque motors favored by some designers for use with high mass platters. So, I see that 2-Loricraft idea (if it sounds good) as support for the idler drive/rim drive/high torque motor school. This is not to say that I disagree with your basic premise as stated.

"A good customer of Frank Schroeder owns a Loricraft 301 and 501. They sit adjacent to each other on a wide shelf.

You know how he drives them? Using the 'table which isn't playing as a motor pod belt drive system for the other one.

It's the only modular belt drive system I know of whose motor pod comes with its own Schroeder Reference tonearm (grin)."

Sounds like a waste of a couple of really nice turntables to me.. ;-) Although I have heard from one person who has owned both the Loricraft 501, and the Shindo 301 that Loricraft is not the best of the Garrard platform.

"People incorrectly attribute the "goodness" of a component to the chosen architecture instead of the fact that they are experiencing a mature, well thought out design developed by someone who knows what real music sounds like."

Thom, IMHO this works both ways..... When one see's a SET amp(no matter the model) I think they pretty much asume it's going to have a certain sound (i.e. not of the transistor variety). There are obviously widely varying degrees of sound to be had within this design parameter.... But, I have never heard a tansistor amp sound like an SET yet (or at least as good to my ears).

Chris

I've been watching the Teres website on an off for a long time and one disturbing trend (from my point of view) is the escalating price structure. What surprises me here on this thread is how several people commented that this new motor sounded interesting and they were going to try it, seemingly without ever even having had it in there system. You can buy a very nice turntable for the price of this motor and I fail to see why it should cost this much. Perhaps participants here have a lot more disposable income to throw around than I do. As for myself, if I were planning to drop this kind of money on a diy turntable, I'd go for a real direct drive. There is something about this idea of the motor leaning against the edge of the platter that strikes me as kludgy.