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No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need

It goes back to cable manufaturars, mostly provide no relevant data! to sales and the users. None will answer this!
Whay do you think that you own now the optimal cable to your setup?
I think I've figured it out. 


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b4icu OP
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Mr. grannyring
I feel like my idea was not thoroughly understood.
It is not about thickening the wire, the thicker - the better.
It is about doing an engineering calculation, that is based on the equipment spec., to specify the precise guage your system requires. In some cases, getting closer to that guage would get a better sound, but after reaching that gauge, getting thicker with the cable, will not add quality, only get more expensive.
This is not like tuning in with endless try and error, as it is mostly done today.
Your chaise after a specific cooper wire, is not the point. You are captive of cable’s manufacturers promo, with promisses that are not helping your sound getting any better. It is only the product getting more expensive.
It is an awful VFM. 

Regarding your say on Burn In and Cryo, let me get a bit humoristic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0
It would get you an idea, what I think about those subjects. Especially at 02:05.

Burn In:

A cooper wire with some soldered ends does not need any burn in. What is it good for? Well, if a dealer had demonstrate or/and sold a cable, for some $3,000.- US plus. And unfortunately, that is not delivering the promised superiority.

What that dealer or sales person can say?

"It will open up and sound way better after a burn in".

Most customers have nothing to say against this argument that have been common and accepted for no particular reason. It is taken for granted. For the sale process, it is done and dusted. Good for the dealer, not so good for the customer. He was satisfied by a fishy story over a good product.

Why playing some music at low volume with those cables, hooked up 24/7 for a week, would do the job better, than giving it a jump start to a car or a truck and get the same amount of current flow in less than a minute?

Cryo: https://ptable.com/

Why would element 29 (Cu) change conductivity properties, over othre metals in this table? Did anyone tested a cable befor and after to say what changed regarding conductivity? For all those says (skin effect and others) to get some nderstanding won’t hurt. None been explained nor proved by an experiment.

I’m happy we don’t live in times of the Maya empire. That could have end with a human sacrify! on the subject...



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grannyring
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My ears have heard it over and over. That simple. So obvious as to make the truth of it most secure. Your methods do in fact point to much thicker gauge than normally used in nearly every instance. Look at your suggestions here for proof. 3x0 AWG in my system! Oh my!
dill
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But we have been enlightened grannyring. The measurements have been made and need to be adhered to for the best sound, that's it. There can be no more improvements. Bottom line, don't listen to your ears, listen to those measurements. What a crock ...  
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twoleftears
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If you braid 12 x Duelund 12-gauge wires together, you get an effective gauge of 1 awg.

I may hire a specialized hair stylist to do the job.

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Mr.  grannyring
For the  3x0 AWG  suggestion: My suggestion was for 3 AWG at 8'.
You require 20'. That increases the cable resistance by 3 and if you go to the guage table it calls for a 3 times 0 AWG to keep it the same as a 3 AWG of 8' long.
That's Ohms law. I only use it for this suggestion.

Regaring Mr. Dill's remark of what he can hear, no one's ears can replace measurment instrumentations nor engineering calculation. Whatever you like it or not, Audio precision, HP and more are still in business.
If ears would do, we would not need them. What you can hear?
As you had tried in a blind test listening to all cables from 14 AWG to the 4x0 AWG and your ears pointed towerd a 12 AWG 99.9% pure cooper with cryo and burn in...?
Now you can hire this service, as the standard listening to IEEE.
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