No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need


It goes back to cable manufaturars, mostly provide no relevant data! to sales and the users. None will answer this!
Whay do you think that you own now the optimal cable to your setup?
I think I've figured it out. 


128x128b4icu
Can't believe that anyone could really buy into this preposterous notion.

Thanks morg111!  Back to reality, once more:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

On the other hand, I'm sure glad to be using one of those low DF tube amps and can forgo the double run jumper cables.....Jim
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Dumping Factor
If it is no good, why amplifier designers do the effort to make it high?
For the history of amp's, it all started with tubes. Tube amp's had low power and low DF. They all need an output transformer to transfer high voltage / low current, into some lower voltage and higher current.
Today, some Tube amps have more power (watts) but the DF remains low.

When solid state (SS) was introduced, DF was one of the issues to tackle. Amplifiers, not only audio, but in general, have a tendency to be made with some basic spec's. to keep it ideal. The very first two are:

·         Infinite input impedance (zero effect on source) and,

·         Zero output resistance (in a way, an Infinite DF) that would ensure            zero effect by the load.

 Those are the very basics of amplifiers in electronics.

That's before flat FR, low noise (SNR), THD etc'. So for all who find DF (or Ro) to be unimportant, why not look how it became a first in ideal amplification?

The DF or output resistance can be achieved (by design) in several ways. Feedback (FB) is one of them. Not the best way to get there, but a common one. FB is not a bad thing in general, but may have bad side effects when used too much or in a wrong way. One benefit of FB is to stabilize the output at complex loads. That must be limited by FR to avoid oscillations.

The others, are using very high current low R-on output devices (transistors) and a very powerful power supply (PS).

Firms like Naim, that have a method of using external PS, are paying a price on DF with that approach. Most high power amps need more than one output device in parallel to provide the power.

Some designs emphasize one feature over the other, so as in life, it is difficult to be spot on, on every parameter. When it does, it has a price.

Some amplifiers behave bad on low speakers impedance. Most do not double output power when load (8 Ohms) drops to half (4 Ohms) and quadruple when load drops to a quarter (2 Ohms).

Some would keep up even at 1 Ohm. If you think it is a good amplifier, what would the Ro (DF) of such amp be, to keep it cool?

Amplifiers, with different DF have different sound. Some like the laid back and relaxed tube sound. Some (like McIntosh) would imitate it with SS topology but with an output transformer.

For those who like it dynamic and vivid, a higher DF and power are required.

The Amplifier – Speaker relation is more complex, as it is depends on the speaker's load (8,4,2 Ohms!) the speaker's efficiency (dB/w/m SPL) and more. The cable between the two are also playing an important role. Some more and some less. The key for that role is the amplifier's DF.

For all who may think other, that's ok. Just be fair enough to bring a technical argument to this conversation, rather than just a say aomething with no support. That's an insult to intelligence.

All those who add a link to some guru's article on the web, that support their say, but the article has no technical support (no foundation to explain that say), please don't. It's the same insult.

A say with no technical support is no good on this thread. You need better.



Mr.  han_n
In your case (1,000W amplified bass tower and a ribbon mid/high tower), this issue is of less significance.
However, if we are here agin, As the CH M1 has a variable fedback (FB) control, what is your FB set, to have the optimum sound?
(on my conversation with CH, this was brought out up front, because as you can see from their reply, it has an effect on the DF).
Mr. mechans2
You have tube amplifiers, that's DF is not given by it's chiness spec. Your speaker's cable name do not provide me much data' of length nor gauge.
However, thick speaker cables do not apply to tube amplifiers.