No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need

According to that calculator, I need 0 AWG to have the final (calculated) damping factor about the same as what amplifier instructions say it is. Not much of a revelation. Didn't we already conclude that it all comes down to 0 AWG? Making the cable 10 (ten) times longer does bring it down some but 15 meters per channel would mean 30 meters between speakers and that must be a rare occasion in real life.

Mr. mitch2

It is nice, but…Not yet! 

1.       This is not a formula to provide the gauge out of length and DF.

2.       You need to feed the wire gauge till you tune out a close DF to the amp's DF.

How close is close enough?

3.       This calculator will accept wire gauge only up to 0 AWG. Some longer cables or higher DF are out of range!

What is the formula when a 0 AWG at some DF or length doesn't get the results?

4.       The speaker's impedance, should not impact the amp's DF. So why going from 8 Ohms to 4 Ohms changes the calculated DF figure?

 

Even if this would be the solution (and it is not), how many cable makers use (or used) such a calculator, to figure out what is the required cable to your setup? NONE!

 

Let's look back and see what we had here:

 

1.       People claimed that the speaker cable should be chosen by listening and not by calculation. If it comes through Google or the web, than it is O.k. If I say it…No!

Do you know how much clutter is on the web? Not all on the web is a holy bible. Even the bible was written by man.

2.       All the sudden, DF is a factor to choose a speaker cable! Till my thread no one connected between the two?

3.       All the sudden a thick cable (4 to 000 AWG or more) seems to be O.k.

Till my thread you were thinking it is good only for jump start cables!

4.       None of you went into the understanding how and why this additional resistance of a cable is effecting your sound. Or giving it a solid ratio between a bad cable and a good cable. Till now the difference was told by a sales man who pushed you the cable he would benefit from most, not the one your system really needs.

5.       Going back to my say, that most of you are having the wrong cable connected in your system!

6.       How many cable manufacturers you know, that offer cables of 4 AWG and thicker? What kind of money do they charge for it?

7.       For the naggers, you changed your skin in a second, as a salamander camouflage, even thou nothing really changed in my claim. Is that shows what kind of people you are?

 

 

b4icu,

I think you made a few quick statements that are incorrect or, at least partial.

"Till my thread you were thinking it is good only for jump start cables!"

It may be that way, but it did not seem to me. However, inconvenience of very thick cables is a big factor, as reported by a few people who tried it on this thread, including yourself. What good is a perfection when it is hard to implement? I am not saying that in theory or practice the sound will not be "better" but that for many that may be impossible to achieve due to practical constraints. I was hoping to try and then realized it simply would not work for me in the long run (timewise, not wirewise). So, for many, thick wire may really be good only for jump start cables.

"All the sudden, DF is a factor to choose a speaker cable!"

Some posters have disputed the importance of DF earlier in the thread. I have not followed that closely so I am not sure if those are the ones you consider "changing skin" in the meantime but I do remember people trying to argue their view of it. It may not be that DF became important but simply that people took your statements seriously, thought of them, and extended their opinion to you/us. Some might have gotten enlightened along the way. Nothing wrong with that.

"None of you went into the understanding how and why this additional resistance of a cable is effecting your sound."

I am technical-knowledge-challenged but I did ask how does going from a thick (0 AWG) cable to the connecting piece (8? 14?, I forgot but it looked much thinner on the picture) influence the whole cable system. Does it negate, or at least diminish, the benefits of that thick cable that came before it? I would guess, correct me if I am wrong, that it adds resistance so I asked. You might have overlooked my question or I might have overlooked your answer. Either way, someone did think about additional resistance.

"Going back to my say, that most of you are having the wrong cable connected in your system!"

It may be true, but claiming something so sternly about thousands of systems around the world that one has never heard or combinations that one could hardly imagine may not be the best approach. In some church-like environment, maybe, but, in going "against" multiple adults who may posses many skills you are not aware of, it comes across as a bit arrogant. And, easily, silly in its error. Better leave the door open that you are not infallible, either.

"For the naggers, you changed your skin in a second, as a salamander camouflage, even thou nothing really changed in my claim. Is that shows what kind of people you are?"

Open-minded, ready to accept different views when presented in a reasonable fashion, willing to improve, not stubborn, not arrogant "my way or no way", etc. In short, great bright people. Hardly lizards.

"Do you know how much clutter is on the web?"

We all do. This thread is not the only one. It is a fun clutter, though.