Nude Turntable Project

Dover, Funny you say that about "converting" the Verdier to thread drive. Nearly all, if not actually all, the Verdiers I have ever seen have been using thread drive. I actually thought it was "stock". One well known emporium near me that sells Verdier places the motor about 3 feet away from the platter and uses a thread drive. I've often wondered how the heck they can keep the thread from slipping down the smooth sides of the platter.

Richard, You voiced my own thoughts on the pitfall of a coreless motor; the orientation of the magnet and coils is at 90 degrees to that of a conventional motor, and this would result in max field strength in the vertical direction. Plus, the coreless motor is very close to the underside of the platter, much closer to the platter than a conventional motor in a Technics or other similar DD. I've noted that the L07D motor is a completely discrete unit, sealed in a casing shaped like a movie version of a flying saucer. Do you think the casing is made of mu metal or something with similar shielding properties? If so, why do we perceive that adding another shield under the platter mat makes a further improvement?

By the way, the same might be said of the TT101 motor. It too is completely encased, top and bottom, maybe for the same reason???

Dover - imo each of us needs and has a reference point, a ground zero for this hobby and other things in life.
Without this anchor we become lost.
This ground zero is a little different for everyone.
For this reproduced in my room as far as source goes - my Studer deck playing 15 ips tapes is it for me.

here's why.

Before my Studer tech gave me back my tape machine he put on a tape that had different frequency notes on it.
He played each of them for one minute. It was rock solid in pitch. Never wavering. I wont get into its sonics here.

imo - a TT setup can come close, but will never be this good because other than all the many electro/mechanical "items" that need to be set up with the table, tonearm and cartridge - the record itself is so so flawed. oh you can try to setup things as best as possible for one record. But the next one will be different. I have hundreds in rows next to my listening chair that I randomly select from. What are you going to do.

So the record for the vinyl hobby imo is the Elephant in the Room.

Everyone loves to talk about their shiny TTs, tonearms and cartridges - the equipment. No one wants to talk about the source. Sorry for ranting on your thread Henry.

Dover
An example of this is the Verdier, where the motor is not strong, and addressing this should be a prerequisite before converting to thread drive.

imo - if you truly understood how this table worked you would not have made this comment. I guess JC Verdier does not know what he is doing. If I recall you discussed a Verdier in the past on this forum and it required the use of a setup bearing to run properly as it oscillated. Could it have been one of the many counterfeit ones around ? Its a very imitated and duplicated table. You need to be very careful. fwiw - I remember reading Syntax timeline testing the vintage Verdier - it was on the pass list. Cant remember the thread.

My Verdier and my other hobby tables are compared against my Studer in my own room real time - switching between the two.

So thats my Ground Zero Dover. Whats yours ?

Lewm - I've often wondered how the heck they can keep the thread from slipping down the smooth sides of the platter.

Lewm - Depending on my mood I do one of two things before a listening session in front of the Verdier.

I dance a little dance or
I get down on my knees and recite a short prayer in front of it.

So far the same piece of silk thread has been on their 9 months. It must be working.

cheers

I'm sure it does; I've never seen the thread slip on any of those. That was part of my point to Dover. I thought also you were going to take issue with his idea that the Verdier needs a "stronger" motor. To my way of thinking, the Verdier is one of those in the "hi mass/lo torque" grouping of belt-drive turntables, a grouping that I regard highly for sonics and which includes the Walker Proscenium. Whatever one might think of the Verdier, I believe it was designed "as a whole", and the use of a relatively weak motor is intentional. (Actually, isn't the Final Audio Parthenon also in this group? Maybe it has a high-torque motor. It sure has a high mass platter.)