Nude Turntable Project

Dover - imo each of us needs and has a reference point, a ground zero for this hobby and other things in life.
Without this anchor we become lost.
This ground zero is a little different for everyone.
For this reproduced in my room as far as source goes - my Studer deck playing 15 ips tapes is it for me.

here's why.

Before my Studer tech gave me back my tape machine he put on a tape that had different frequency notes on it.
He played each of them for one minute. It was rock solid in pitch. Never wavering. I wont get into its sonics here.

imo - a TT setup can come close, but will never be this good because other than all the many electro/mechanical "items" that need to be set up with the table, tonearm and cartridge - the record itself is so so flawed. oh you can try to setup things as best as possible for one record. But the next one will be different. I have hundreds in rows next to my listening chair that I randomly select from. What are you going to do.

So the record for the vinyl hobby imo is the Elephant in the Room.

Everyone loves to talk about their shiny TTs, tonearms and cartridges - the equipment. No one wants to talk about the source. Sorry for ranting on your thread Henry.

Dover
An example of this is the Verdier, where the motor is not strong, and addressing this should be a prerequisite before converting to thread drive.

imo - if you truly understood how this table worked you would not have made this comment. I guess JC Verdier does not know what he is doing. If I recall you discussed a Verdier in the past on this forum and it required the use of a setup bearing to run properly as it oscillated. Could it have been one of the many counterfeit ones around ? Its a very imitated and duplicated table. You need to be very careful. fwiw - I remember reading Syntax timeline testing the vintage Verdier - it was on the pass list. Cant remember the thread.

My Verdier and my other hobby tables are compared against my Studer in my own room real time - switching between the two.

So thats my Ground Zero Dover. Whats yours ?

Lewm - I've often wondered how the heck they can keep the thread from slipping down the smooth sides of the platter.

Lewm - Depending on my mood I do one of two things before a listening session in front of the Verdier.

I dance a little dance or
I get down on my knees and recite a short prayer in front of it.

So far the same piece of silk thread has been on their 9 months. It must be working.

cheers

I'm sure it does; I've never seen the thread slip on any of those. That was part of my point to Dover. I thought also you were going to take issue with his idea that the Verdier needs a "stronger" motor. To my way of thinking, the Verdier is one of those in the "hi mass/lo torque" grouping of belt-drive turntables, a grouping that I regard highly for sonics and which includes the Walker Proscenium. Whatever one might think of the Verdier, I believe it was designed "as a whole", and the use of a relatively weak motor is intentional. (Actually, isn't the Final Audio Parthenon also in this group? Maybe it has a high-torque motor. It sure has a high mass platter.)

I just downloaded the Teslameter 11th App onto my iPhone and it's very interesting.
It measures an electro-magnetic field in either Micro Teslas or Milli-Gauss (1 Tesla=10,000Gauss).
Just sitting in my listening chair gives a reading of 43uT or 590mG whilst at the turntable platter I can get a reading from 92-over 200(cut-out point) uT or 590-over 2000mG.
Readings UNDER the naked TT-101 are all over the 200uT max limit.
The readings change with power on or off so a complex study is required.
Because of my 3 tonearms.....the position of each cartridge traverses a different path with the cartridge passing over the transformer reading the highest.
Of course...all the cartridges at their inner-groove points are directly over the motor coils and the reading goes off the chart in all these cases.

The interesting thing is no difference in sound is heard by me as each cartridge passes over different reading points...and the arm passing over the transformer sounds no different to the other arms in intrinsic quality.

As a side-note....in this months issue of Stereophile with the 2013 Recommended Components.....for turntables ranked A+ and A.......76% have their motors mounted in the plinth close to the platter.

If Thuchan can download this App to his iPhone and demonstrate that the EMT 927 provides plenty of magnetism.......it may be possible to make a case for the beneficial effects of this ingredient? :-)

Henry, Don't own a Garrard 301

Sorry Lew.....I knew you had an idler and was just too lazy to look-up your System Page.....
It would be interesting to check your Technics SP10Mk3 which has the motor with the most torque (power?).....?