Old Amps that can still Kick Butt


Not being a believer that time necessarily = progress, I would like to offer the following example of a sonic gem that has transcended time and can totally kick butt in a modern milieu:

The Robertson 4010. I got one of these about two years ago because it was in immaculate condition, the price was so low and I was inquisitive. I hooked it up and let it warm up for a couple of days. OMG this thing was in the super amp league: Transparency to die for, slam that you couldn‘t‘ believe for for a 50W amp.. Peter Moncrieffe wasn‘t wrong in his review of this amp: this thing is in the Sterreophile Class A component category hands down. Even after all these years.

What amps have you encountered that have defied time and can still kick butt today?


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Most of the amps listed here will sound fine at low volume. But if you want to blast they’ll get painful. The mark of a good system is one that sounds smooth and detailed (not brightness masquerading as detail) even at high volume.


The problem is caused by insufficient feedback. At low frequencies the feedback is fine, which is why they can play bass well. But as frequency is increased, the distortion goes up with it because the design lacks the Gain Bandwidth Product needed to support high levels of feedback at high frequencies. This results in harshness and brightness since that is how the ear perceives the higher ordered harmonics generated by the amp.

You can’t just add more feedback; you might exceed the phase margin of the amp, causing it to oscillate.


Its a compromise.


I have a lower powered Radio Shack amp that sounds fine as long as you don’t push it hard. It tends to make the 2nd harmonic as its primary distortion product and that masks a good deal of the higher orders. But at higher volume levels there isn’t enough lower ordered content to mask anymore- and so it gets harsh. But if I run speakers that have enough efficiency, the amp never gets to those volumes and it sounds fine.

Put another way, even though a lot of the amps mentioned so far can make quite a bit of power, matching the speaker to them (using an easier to drive speaker) is paramount to getting the most out of them.
I did have the ROWLAND 8T for about 10 years and had no trouble selling it to a fellow Audiophile who still loves it.A classic to be sure.
I still use Luxman M-4000 on a daily basis (together with its C-1010 pre amp companion). Although it’s now 45+ years old, I’m still amazed at how musical and ’modern’ (as in transparent) it sounds. Then upcoming engineer Tim de Paravacini (RIP) did it right and it stands as an early testament to his genius. One of the more powerful amps in its day (although the M-6000 was the real monster) it doesn’t run out of stream and keeps its composure when pushed really hard. I use it with speakers of the same vintage with fairly high efficiency (Pioneer CS-3000a and CS-T8), but it can just as easily drive my low sensitivity Maggie 20.7’s without any trouble. A true classic!

@ebm I don’t think the Rowland 8T is really an ’old amp’. The OP seems to be looking for amps from a much older generation. The Rowland can indeed compete well today, and yes it is a classic and exceptional.
Probably more in line with the OP’s question, would be something like the ARC D70Mk2 or the ARC M100’s, both of which were incredible for their time and still also highly competitive today. ( In fact, i believe there are still a lot of new amp designs that these three will put to shame!)
Kick butt. What a joke. 

Set that old tube amp out by the curb, and you'll be ahead of the rush.
Class D is already starting to make such amps worthless sonically and in time, in terms of valuation. In a couple years such amps will be fairly worthless, and rightly so, as they will have slid from occupying a status of HiFi to MidFi. Class D is now so good that I would not dream of using any amp, SS or Tube, over five years old. It would be a waste of my time to even assess such amps. 

I predict that in a couple years those who are serious about an assault on SOTA will be looking to Class D to achieve it. Those who want a bargain will be looking to the other genres - an inversion of the historic norm regarding amps. It's going to be come bloody among amp manufacturers going forward. Not that I wish ill on other SS and tube amp makers, but such profound technological and sonic progress will not be impeded by nostalgia. The only justification that one might have to use an old tube amp will be that it is cheap. Looking at the other two threads started by the OP with the same dismissive statement, that is perhaps the motivation of this thread - pretend old, cheap gear performs as good.   :) 

SOTA sound is changing for the better right NOW, and Class D is a primary driver of it. Class A, A/B and tube amps? No, they are doing nothing of the sort. The glorious future of Class D amplification HAS arrived, and it will only get better! Cynical? Skeptical? You lose out. 

If anyone would like insight on this, read my review of the Legacy Audio i.V4 Ultra Amplifier review at Dagogo.com