One turntable with two arms, or two turntables with one each - which would you prefer?


Which would you prefer, if budget allowed: one turntable with two tonearms or two turntables with one each? What would your decision criteria be?

And the corollary: one phono preamp with multiple inputs or two phono preamps?

Assume a fixed budget, but for the purposes of this question, the budget is up to the responder. Admittedly for this type of setup, there will be a sizeable investment once all components of the chain are factored in.

I'm curious to hear how people would decide for themselves the answer to this question. Or maybe you've already made this decision - what do you like about your decision or what would you differently next time?

Cheers.

dullgrin

When routing Panzerholz carbine tooling is necessary. Not carbine tipped. It machines incredible well but you will go through some tooling as it is tough on. tooling.

Yes slowing Rpm down and using a low flute tool, so it does not gum up, helps tremendously , but nonetheless to get a high quality part it takes a certain skill set for sure.

Try performing locking miter joints on 25mm for speaker cabinet.

I took some samples of 25mm Panzerholz locking miter joint compared to 25mm Finnish Birch (Baltic Birch void free) doing the same locking miter joint to an audio show this year.

Every speaker manufacturer I showed it to they were impressed at the difference between the two materials and the locking miter joint.

You would think that the $40,000 and up speakers would use this joint and material, at least for front baffle. It takes veneer and paints incredible well.

We've made numerous 100 mm plinths and you will find yourself in very deep water quickly if you are not careful. The plinths you see using the Panzerholz do not  machine from 100 mm. They instead use 25mm and cut four parts and glue them up. Glueing eliminates the structural integrity of the Panzerholz and yet this is how its done. 

Even Kaiser speakers, if you read carefully their marking description carefully, use Panzerholz in bracing and other key areas. The speaker is not made entirely from Panzerholz. 

Sorry if I got off topic from the point of this discussion. 

I have a 75mm Thick 'Permali' Densified Wood Board.

I am familiar with Panzerholz produced with 25mm and 32mm Thickness Boards.

The individual from Qualia Lab's who has caarried out the Testing on a large selection of materials chosen as a Structure to be used within HiFi, has made it known on regular exchanges that a 10mm Thickness Panzerholz or Permali are able to deliver the ideal Damping and Dissipation properties for HiFi related purposes, especially in relation to what more commonly selected material are able to offer.

A very good friend used a 25mm P'holz Plinth for many years, and then had been able to source a Thicker 32mm Board.

This allowed for the 25mm Plinth to be compared to a 32mm P'holz Plinth, their assessment was the Bass and Air from a presentation was an improvement when using the 32mm material, the 32mm remains in use today, and I hear this whenever I visit.

Another individual used a 25mm P'holz Plinth naked and another which had a Material called Newplast added, each were able to use the same TT > Tonearm > Cart'.

After a long period of trials, the Newplast was removed, as it was said to have created an overdamped sound which was not as attractive as the Naked Material only.

I have moved away from Mass Material Plinths, as the Perception of being overdamped was noticeable, and not dissimilar to the presence detected when certain designs of a Cabinet Speaker are used. Either of these being detected is an unattractive presence I am not comfortable with, when it is detected during a replay.  

There is only one method to discover if a Densified Wood is suitable to an individual as a Plinth or Sub Plinth, and that is to experience it in use.

               

Why do we seem to think “hardness” is the most important criterion for a material used to build a plinth? 

lewm,

It's not. Just stating the physical characteristic of Panzerholz. That characteristic produces very clean and crisp parts as oppossed to say plywood or MDF. 

I would imagine that the hardness would contribute to the speed at which mechanical vibration travels throught the material (velocity).

I am not in anyway meaning to denigrate Panzerholz, but the prior discussion centered in many cases on "hardness" not just of Panzerholz but of other materials mentioned. And I wondered why. Seems to me that hardness is concomitant with the necessary characteristics of a good plinth material but is not THE reason why a material is good or bad for a plinth. Yes, a plinth ought to be good at dissipating energy put into it by the turntable chassis. By the same token, granite ought to be good too, but many (not including Pindac) have found it to be less good than other choices. Until now, I did not realize that Pindac had a favorable opinion of granite. For that matter, slate might seem to be a good choice, and it is what I chose back when slate was all the rage and OMA were selling slate plinths for a wide variety of turntables. (Given my contrarian nature, I created my plinths for the DP80, SP10 MK3, and Lenco "from scratch" but using professionals to do it the way I wanted.  When I wrote about my slate adventure on line, OMA were not happy with me.) I am satisfied with the outcome, but I am not going to claim slate (Pennsylvania black variety) is the best choice. Around that time, Albert Porter was selling Panzerholz plinths for SP10s Mk2 and Mk3. I’m sure those are excellent too. It’s interesting to me that Panzerholz is good because it’s made by glue-ing together layers of material. Glue creates a boundary between layers. Energy arriving at the glue line would be partially reflected back and partially transferred across the boundary. I am guessing that because the whole is compressed under very high pressure, that potential issue is ameliorated.  Another choice is concrete; I have used large square pavers from Home Depot as audio shelving.  It works pretty well for that.  Would be hard to conceive of making a plinth of it but fun to try.