OTL Tube Amps-- are they superior to everything?


A recent conversation I had with an Audiogon member got me interested in OTLs. His opinion is that nothing compares to them for clarity, naturalness and superiority in just about every area. The Atmaspheres are the amps he has, and they are purportedly very stable, unlike most other OTL designs, which many can tell you were a living nightmare.

This is ironic, because some mfrs., like McIntosh, actually put output transformers on their better solid state pieces, claiming they provide superior sonics.

What is the truth here?
saxo
Yes, Allan, I studied this quite a bit before getting into Berning's amps. I also know about the RF carrier, and the "bus stop" get-on, and get-off routine. But I felt it was of no use to get into that here, because nobody has understood it previously, and I doubt anybody is going to get it now.

By the way, you should hear this battery powered, choke loaded 45 SE ZOTL. It's the cat's ass. I really would like to get an ear on those direct drive 270 amps you have too. I forgot what speakers you are matching them to. What are they?
*** His opinion is that nothing compares to them for clarity, naturalness and superiority in just about every area.

They do have some very specific and very limited qualities that are attractive but mostly the “attractive qualities" get overwhelmed by a large amount of the very critical fundamental imperfections… There is a LOT of more to it but it will be obviously out of scope of the typical Audiogon member’s aptitude. If you looking for serious information but not for the casual audiophile BS then look somewhere alse.

*** The Atmaspheres are the amps he has, and they are purportedly very stable, unlike most other OTL designs, which many can tell you were a living nightmare.

Atmaspheres actually are very poor electroniks and I sincerely feel that to make any conclusions about topology base on the evaluation of a specifically-badly-implemented brand is a wrong thing to do.

*** What is the truth here?

Look for the answers somewhere else.
Twl, I would love to hear those amps of yours, I'll even make a effort to come and hear it, where ever you are :)

My amps are 6JN6 based but not a 270, they are direct drives, directly driving Sound labs, I have over twice the rail voltage of a regular 270 but a lot of the design is similar, this alone is a testament to the reliability and rock steady stability of the design, it's capable of producing 6000v peak to peak, yeah it only weighs 8lbs each, so not only am I OTL amp but I am transformerless on the electrostatic panels as well.
There is an open invitation to anyone to come and hear this, as talk is cheap
Verybigamp obviously has some very strong feelings on these amps. I don't think I'll have to ask for others to react to this.

About the Berning, after seeing how it looks like someone made it in their garage, perhaps that explains the stingy two-year warranty. At $4,200 for a 10 pound amp, I think I'll pass. Mr. Berning obviously feels he would be paid well for his design abilities.
Someone has emailed me privately to express his opinion of the Atma-Sphere M60. He owned them, and found that the input stage creates distortion that you can hear, although they are transparent and real sounding. He claims most owners have modified the input stages of these amps.

What's all this about?