please help a rookie


I planning to get my very first audio system and it looks pretty confusing.I tried to do some homework, bought stereophile and hanged on various net forums to get more info. I'll have to spend 1-1.5k on a solid amp, maybe a little less on a cd player and about the same for speakers. I listen to opera, jazz and pop, my room is 20X15, hardwood floors. I am looking at arcam A85, musical fidelity a3, rotel 1080, but any suggestions for best bang for my buck, new or used will be very wellcomed. Btw, I like the sweet sound of B&W...thanks.
dandreescu
Ugh, my friend, that's a monster of a question -- as there are easily more potentially great answers than there are even people to give them. However, as a friend of mine recently asked essentially the same question, I can at least try to explain the path that I have been attempting to lead him down in hope of helping him answer it for himself.

In my opinion, the best place to start is by identifying a pair of speakers that make you happy and then backing into electronics that compliment the speakers from there. (Others will tell you to start elsewhere, but this is my turn on the soapbox). I live in New York city, so I started by dragging him around to listen to as many speakers as we could. So far, we’ve hit the Meadowlark Kestrels, the Audio Physic Spark III, Thiel 1.6, ProAc 1sc, a couple of Sonus Fabers, and a couple of Vienna Acoustics. I’m also encouraging him to have a listen to some Vandersteens (which a shop here-about wouldn’t even deign to plug in for us), Soliloquy, Aerial, and B&W (and I certainly would have insisted that he listen to some Maggies, but he simply doesn’t have the room). At the more-or-less $1.5k pricemark (used) there are some exceptional bookshelf speakers as well as many wonderful smaller floorstanders to choose from. There are lots more, for sure, but we focused on the (only slightly) less-esoteric ones that could be easily found in local shops. So far, he seems to be leaning towards he ProAc’s or the Meadowlarks which, without digressing into the jargon of audiophilia for the why and wherefore, were simply the ones that brought on the biggest smile from the guy in the listening chair.

From whatever speaker you like, the potential permutations as to electronics are huge. If, for example, the friend decided to go with the ProAc’s, he could certainly get by with a nice integrated from the likes of Classe, Creek, Sim Audio, Music Fidelity, Audio Refinement, Bryston or countless others (if we were to limit ourselves to solid state as opposed to tubes, which isn’t necessarily the way to go). For a relatively cheap CP player, I’m partial to the various revamped, tubed revisions of Marantz players (AH!Tjoeb 2000 or Heart CD6000) or possibly a Rega or the like. Buying used, he could put something like this together for less than $3k and have a genuinely respectable and musical system. If you want to talk separates, I’d encourage him to look into a tubed preamp and a solid state amp (and I might sell him my old VTL 2.5 pre…). That said, the ProAcs would certainly benefit from even finer upstream equipment if he were inclined (we heard them on a $6k Rowland integrated). I could certainly go on and on, but nothing I could say matters 10% as much as your own ears. Drag’em around with you, listen to what you can, trust them, and remember to have fun.
true true true...fix the room first!!! If you cant do rugs, then get as much wall furnishings on the walls as possible. I just moved, and my new place showed me excactly what a bad room can do to good sound.

good luck

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Dandreescu,

I post very infrequently here but do often follow the conversation. It wasn't too long ago that I was in your shoes so I will float you this view. I would put all the money I could into a well-designed and accurate (really accurate) loudspeaker. If you take this road, all else will be much simpler and less expensive than one tends to initially think. Speakers and the way they interact with your room are responsible for the lion's share of what one hears.

Models from Harbeth, Spendor, and a few others really meet the standard of high accuracy without many design compromises. The Spendor 1/2 is a classic speaker with measured accuracy for around $1750 used. My choice is the Harbeth Compact 7 around $2200 direct from the NA distributor. The Harbeth Monitor 30 (I have not heard)is around $3000 new and uses one of the best tweeters along with Harbeth's proprietory midrange driver which is also in the Compact 7. There are others you may come across if you research carefully.

Best regards,

Mike C.
Buy used! Whatever you buy you will just want something better in a very short time, that is if you really have the disease. Godd Luck
I've been going through the same process as newbie after a 15 year hiatus and my best advice is to listen, listen, listen. Pick a few favorite CDs, a variety of music, and listen to as many amps and speakers as possible. They are all so different and the synergy complicates the listening.

If you like B&Ws then you probably like crisp sounding equipment so solid state is your best bet. The Arcam might complement this crisp, bright sound well as it is a bit analytical (I prefer warm sounding equipment).

I had similar room problems as you -- big room, wood floors, plus the spouse (she's not a problem, she just has opinions). I decided that I could not dedicate the room to a nice system with a correct listening location so after going through several iterations of equipment combinations I think I'm going to settle for a Linn Klassik and also get a nice small system for my office where I can really define things (I work at home).

But have fun too. There is lots of good stuff out there. Ask around, shop around, but only buy what sounds good for you within your budget.

But! Do your research, pick some items, and go listen! Your ears are your best guide.