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Pre-pro Advice for B&W 802d HT System

Hello All,

I am in the market for a pre-pro and wanted your guy’s opinions on my options. I have been reading a lot for about 3 months, but still would like some more opinions. The main things I can looking for in new pre-pro are excellent audio detail and a good wide open soundstage. Also, I would like high quality HD video and good up conversion (although up conversion is less important). The following is my current system:

AVR – Denon 2808ci
Amp – Cinenova Grande 7 x 300
DVD – Panasonic S52
Speakers: All B&W
Center: HTM2D
Fronts: 703s
Sides: DS7
Rears: 602s3
Audioquest interconnects

Future Plans:
Amp - McIntosh MC205 and MC402, might go with Classe, but right now planning on Mac
Blu-Ray – Oppo or Ps3 – Oppo if I need analog outs and PS3 if I don’t.
Speakers:
Fronts - 802Ds – Looking to get them in 6 months or so.
Rears - My 703s or 805s

I am looking to spend between $2000 and $5000 for a new pre-pro. My options can be broken down in to two categories: those with the new HD audio formats and those without.

Those with the new audio codecs:
Rotel 1570 – Rotel is always considered to be a good brand with high quality audio. However, after reading a lot about this pre-pro, it seems to have more problems than it should. Some of those problems include poor remote, poor video quality, and audio drop outs.

Marantz AV8003 – I always think of Marantz audio quality is slightly below Rotel. Video processing is better and a few more features (although not that important to me).

Anthem AVM50v – Anthem makes good pre-pros, however some say they can be bright. They supposedly will have excellent video quality and good soundstage.

Anthem D2v used – I would have to wait a while tell a used one gets on the market maybe a year or year and half. However, this is supposed to be one of the best pre-pro on the market. Great Soundstage, video, and audio detail. Again might be bright.

Those without the new audio codecs:
Classe SSP – 600 maybe used– Classe as a lot of you get to experience first hand make great components. Their sound is very detailed and has a good soundstage. I am not sure about video processing.

Classe SSP – 800 used – Same things as the 600 just with better audio. I heard they were going to make it upgradable for the audio codecs, not when this will happen.

Anthem D2 used – same as above expect no wait and no audio codecs.

McIntosh MX136 used – Known for great sound. Don’t know about video processing.

Rotel – 1069 or similar used – Great deals, would be well below my price range. Good quality sound.

These are main pre-pros I have been considering. Also, remember that if I choose one without the codecs I will have to buy interconnects from the Oppo Blu Ray player to the pre-pro – estimated cost of $300 - $400.

I wished I lived closer to stores were I can audition these, but I do not. Thus I like to have a lot of information before I make the weekend trip to Denver to listen to them. Thanks in advance for all you help.
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vayjay
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FWIW, I use an Anthem D2 with 803D, HTM2D, and c-1066 rears. For amplification I have the Anthem A5. The system is not bright by any means but clean and very transparent. Extremely revealing sytem due to neutrality of poor recordings, but very good with very good recordings. I use a tube phonostage for TT, and the sound is very warm, and revealing. I concur witht those that advise spending on source if you use a similar system, as the Anthem reveals poor sources as well as revealing good sources. I have heard the 802 and 803 demo with both Macs and Classe and they seem a very good fit.

Good luck.
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kennyt
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Jeff,

He could do that, but he doesn't have any analog sources, so it might be wasted. I personally like the older Proceed gear for analog, and DD/DTS but as these are now dated, they are almost worthless. This can be good (if you can live with these limitations) or really bad (if you paid the $10K the PAV/PDSD was) so you have to decide on your own.
jeffkad
211 posts
 
Agreed. As I advised him in my original response, he's got to get a good front end analog source. Not to get too far OT, but what's the future of redbook CD? I assume it will still be around for some time to come? Also, do you really think that DD/DTS is so dated as to make current equip worthless? I just don't see Bluray and HD taking over so completely so quickly. There are so many titles in DD/DTS, I would think that OP (and me for that matter, lol) would still have years of enjoyment ahead without being forced to switch to new codecs. Anyway, he can still get a relatively inexpensive Integra with arc and new codecs, and IF he gets a good analog source, he can add a good preamp. I know, I'm stubborn....but I can't let go of good 2 channel option here.
pkubica
134 posts
 
Everyone in this thread has made good valid points. From my experience with 2 Channel/HT systems is does seem that changes that bring better 2 Channel have always made the HT better as well. So designing for good 2 channel has been my priority and the HT has never suffered and has always pleased me. Designing for the HT has provided a few disasters on the 2 channel side. One of which was trying to get good 2 channel out of a HT processor. I might have been able to live with the Classe processor doing both, but not now that I have a tube 2 channel preamp in the system.
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kennyt
1,226 posts
 
Pkubica,

I am currently running the Krell Evo 707 and can honestly say it does two channel as well as HT! It's pricey, but it is a true one box solution for both worlds!
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