Reed tonearm w/ Raven One table-how's the match ?

Dear Vertigo, I don't think there is any such thing as "perfect" azimuth adjustment, so doing it by ear is as good as any other way, IMO. How would you define perfect azimuth adjustment, in electrical terms?

Thanks very much, Lew. You and I are in complete agreement on this. Frankly, since it is we the listeners who are trying to arrange things for our own satisfaction and not anyone else's, it makes sense adjusting by our ears must ultimately take priority.

Opus,

Sorry if my tone came across a little "harsh". I'm just wanting to make sure that audiophiles don't neglect this important adjustment or understate its importance having tunnel vision by looking for problems in the wrong places, prematurely.

I think the kind of azimuth adjustment i am talking about is too fine to be measurable with a course spirit level and the spirit level can only tell you that the headshell is level.

I'm sure there are many cases where the headshell is level but azimuth is still out because of the way the diamond was glued onto the cantilever!

How critical it is to have azimuth and vta right will depend also on how sophisticated the shape of the diamond is. For example a denon 103 will have a larger margin of error but still sound as it sounds, whereas a sophisticated cartridge operates in a narrower margin of error and will not be as forgiving of extremely fine errors, ie, poor set up.

I thought i understood all this but in retrospect i have to say i affirmed or gave lipservice to its truths in word but in reality i didnt believe it to the level i do today. Or...maybe more accurately i had a intense paradigm shift in this regard when the allaerts came onto the scene. A fine, precise instrument it is. Really, I only got it into my thick skull by accident. I was experimenting one afternoon for maybe 3 hours with vtf, vta, and azimuth and realized that ALL my prior conceptions of having this cart dialed in were wrong!

Prior to that moment i made all sorts of critical statements about how i THOUGHT my arm sounded or how my SPEAKERS sounded. All wrong! Wrong to the point that i could have posted these items for sale here! Now those same components are amazing to me! Its a strange experience to go through that.

My appreciation for extremely extremely fine changes in these parameters went through the roof. My hope is that other audiophiles who are as slow as me, or havent seen the light on this yet... WOULD! To all those who already understand this , just ignore this post.

Have a nice day.

sincerely,

Cut and paste for me where i say another method other than the human ear should be used for azimuth adjustment and then i will respond.(forced smile)

If you read my posts, i think you will see and distill from them my belief that the azimuth adjustment can be set by ear , that that is the method i use and that you can have great confidence in what your ears are telling you.

This issue was never the METHOD ...RATHER ...just that it ACTUALLY be EXPLORED! and i was in fact thinking he would do this through listening by EAR.

I would define perfect azimuth as the position of the stylus in relation to the record groove that most consistently rides the groove with the highest contact surface area possible within the physical limitations of the the diamond and that both sides doing this identically to each other. This to ME would in fact equal "perfect" azimuth. That is what i meant by the use of the word.

When i used the word perfect in a previous post the meaning i was pouring into its use is "ideal".

I was only wishing to encourage opus to "know" not just "hope" his azimuth is "perfect/ideal" through... experimentation and... listening by ear. It sounded to me through our discourses , opus and i, that there was the possibility to increase the enjoyability of his playback even further than he already is enjoying through what i perceive to be a slightly overlooked parameter.

*** How would you define perfect azimuth adjustment, in electrical terms?***

I wouldnt...is this a trap?

But to answer your question, i'll take a crack at it...hmmm, lets see? Cant you use an oscilliscope for that? So, i guess the definition would be "identically measured ouputs from each channel, maybe?"

Is it possible that my azimuth is still not ideal? Yes, i am open to that. That is why i champion "ongoing openness and continuing experimention" for myself and for others. Do i need to get a oscilliscope to be absolutely sure i have ideal azimuth? I dont know, i'd have to think about that for awhile.

But i prefer to streamline my use of space and not too much stuff lying around.

I think my ears can do just as good a job of finding ideal azimuth as a oscilliscope can.

Nobody really knows how good i am or how bad i am at setting up ideal azimuth, we'd have to test my results with an oscilliscope and then judge.

I do know one thing. I increase my possibility of nailing ideal azimuth because i am actually engaged in the exercise! but if i weren't and my attitude toward it is too relaxed what are my chances now of nailing it?

Cut and paste for me where i say another method other than the human ear should be used for azimuth adjustment and then i will respond.(forced smile)

If you read my posts, i think you will see and distill from them my belief that the azimuth adjustment can be set by ear , that that is the method i use and that you can have great confidence in what your ears are telling you.

This issue was never the METHOD ...RATHER ...just that it ACTUALLY be EXPLORED! and i was in fact thinking he would do this through listening by EAR.

I would define perfect azimuth as the position of the stylus in relation to the record groove that most consistently rides the groove with the highest contact surface area possible within the physical limitations of the the diamond and that both sides doing this identically to each other. This to ME would in fact equal "perfect" azimuth. That is what i meant by the use of the word.

When i used the word perfect in a previous post the meaning i was pouring into its use is "ideal".

I was only wishing to encourage opus to "know" not just "hope" his azimuth is "perfect/ideal" through... experimentation and... listening by ear. It sounded to me through our discourses , opus and i, that there was the possibility to increase the enjoyability of his playback even further than he already is enjoying through what i perceive to be a slightly overlooked parameter.

*** How would you define perfect azimuth adjustment, in electrical terms?***

I wouldnt...is this a trap?

But to answer your question, i'll take a crack at it...hmmm, lets see? Cant you use an oscilliscope for that? So, i guess the definition would be "identically measured ouputs from each channel, maybe?"

Is it possible that my azimuth is still not ideal? Yes, i am open to that. That is why i champion "ongoing openness and continuing experimention" for myself and for others. Do i need to get a oscilliscope to be absolutely sure i have ideal azimuth? I dont know, i'd have to think about that for awhile.

But i prefer to streamline my use of space and not too much stuff lying around.

I think my ears can do just as good a job of finding ideal azimuth as a oscilliscope can.

Nobody really knows how good i am or how bad i am at setting up ideal azimuth, we'd have to test my results with an oscilliscope and then judge.

I do know one thing. I increase my possibility of nailing ideal azimuth because i am actually engaged in the exercise! but if i weren't what are my chances now of nailing it?