Sat front row at the symphony...


Yesterday, I got to sit in the front row to hear the Pittsburgh Symphony do Beethoven's Piano Concerto no 1 and the Shostakovich Symphony no 10.  I know we all talk about audio gear here, but I have to tell you, sitting in the best seat in the house (Heinz Hall) was an amazing audio experience.  I'm not sure the best audio gear in the world can quite match it.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I was mesmerized by the acoustics of the hall and the dynamics of one of the world's best orchestras.

128x128mikeydee

mahler123,

You're right.  I have known a few professional musicians who aren't interested in an audiophile home system.  They get plenty of exposure to live natural sound in their work, so for recreation they are content with run of the mill sound.  I even met an elderly brass player who gave up playing his instrument soon after he retired.  He wanted to pursue other interests outside of music.  

But I have also known other pros who have good audio systems.  A pro violinist friend owned Maggie speakers with modest electronics and agreed with me about the uncolored tone of those speakers compared to dynamic speakers.  He cared about both live and audio system sound.  He played and owned an expensive Ruggieri 17th century violin, but didn't care to spend significant money on better audio electronics.  Later, he got a modern violin by a maker he met.  I played this modern violin, and it was quite good for its tone.  It would be valued today at $30-50K and offered more sonic pleasure than any uber expensive set of audio electronics.  As an excellent amateur violinist, I share the priorities of my pro violinist friend.

It seems that you have good ears for objectively describing sound, and know that close distances offer maximum detail.  I don't deliberately listen for extraneous nonmusical sounds that are only heard close up, but merely tune out the extraneous sounds because I am too busy enjoying the musical details.  It is still a fact of nature that mechanical sounds are part of any instrumental or vocal sound.  The first row (better yet, the stage) reveals everything, warts and all, but the balcony only a shadow remnant of the total tone.  The only thing the balcony offers is an interesting visualization of the instruments, which I admit is hidden from the 1st row.

As for fatigue, I listen at soft levels, so I have no fatigue.  Extraordinary clarity in my audio system enables me to be satisfied at soft levels, whereas people with less revealing dynamic speakers and euphonic electronics need much higher SPL's to get reasonable detail.  String quartets from the 1st row naturally are at 40-50 dB with peaks of maybe 75 dB.  A Mozart orchestra is about 60-70 dB mezzoforte.  Of course, Mahler can yield 100+ dB with all the brass blasting away.  But there are plenty of soft passages in Mahler.  The long opening of the 1st symphony is about 20-30 dB, before the buildup to the first cymbal crash.  In the balcony, the impact is considerably diluted and muddied.  

terraplane8bob,

See if you can find the Absolute Sound article on top 10 concert halls, about 1985.  Earlier I wrote about how the 25th row of the Musikverein (#1) was pure reverberant muddy garbage, but the 5th row was quite good.  I never got the opportunity to sit front row center.  I envy your pro experience of having played on that stage.  For listening, I would choose a close seat in any high school lecture hall over the 25th row in the Musikverein or any other esteemed hall.  There is a lot of ignorant hype from audio writers with limited musical experience.

While in Vienna, the host of my group let us organize several string quartets.  We each played for 5 min in an Esterhazy palace.  I have no idea of how much furniture was in the palace 300 years before I played there.  Listening fairly close to other groups, the sound was reverberant garbage.  The high society people 300 years ago were not sound critics, but were there to hobnob with each other and chatter without paying much attention to the music, just like today.

I find attending a live orchestral performance a unique sound experience because of how much more involving it is for the listener. I can think of some composers, like Mahler or Shostakovich, whose compositions can be so complex that listening at home, even with a great system, the music can be difficult to follow. Somehow at a live performance you’re forced to listen more intently. I personally prefer the first few rows of the mezzanine at my hometown hall,partly because the sound is so round and full but also because I can see each musician. “Oh, so that’s what produces that special  sound.”

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I've sat in all parts of Chicago's Symphony Center for various concerts and to me, every section has its particular virtues. 

Listening to and attending live classical music concerts may not be as immediately accessible as other forms of music, but go to a few, develop your own style of listening to and experiencing the music (and this is critical -- there's no one "right" way to experience and listen to classical music), and you will be rewarded for a lifetime. 

It's also not just Bach and Beethoven and Mozart -- "classical" music encompasses centuries of traditions (baroque, classical, romantic, modern, might be the broadest categories), and it's very okay to enjoy a particular era or composer and not others.  But, it's a whole universe to explore and find out what speaks to you.

Lastly, the level of musicianship and the level of complexity in the music at a top tier classical concert is almost unimaginable, whether it's an orchestral concert, small ensemble, or a solo or duo.   

So, thank you for sharing this and hopefully this will help spread the word that there is amazing and vital stuff music being created and performed in "classical" circles.

 

This is why I find the difference between a sound system costing $5000 and one costing $700,000 almost trivial. Both are too far from the live concert hall sound to make much difference. I have heard $50,000 speakers that did not sound as good to me as a pair of $1400 Magnepans demonstrated in the same room.