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***You are a true optimist.**** [smiling]
No, I'm a dreamer!!!!
[...like i said above... "wouldn't it be wild?!!!!"]
Yes!...it would!
Imagine that ...2 saskias! One with a talea, one with a schroder. Both set up to the designers satisfaction and by their expertise!
The post was what i would consider one of my ultimate "fantasy shoot outs" [which always includes "controlled" testing] and only ONE variable and just the thought of it was thrilling!
Didn't i mention it would be daunting? I realize that it would be difficult for them to say yes to such a thing because of the ramifications of the outcomes. Even in the that controlled environment, there are still problems with it.
In short comparisons with limited discs your understanding of "which is the better arm" is weak. When we listen we focus on one aspect of the music at a time but it takes several listens to the same track, to get a more complete picture and bottom line. Sometimes with some aspects it can take months to wrap ones mind around whether they like one arm over the other. No?
Then theres the problem of the publicity of the results, the blanket statements that will be made afterwards , which assumes that the conclusions are definitive and objective.
Plus, the shoot out is still being done in isolation to hundreds of other systems out there and so while one arm might work better in one system it might not in another.
If the larger community of audiophiles really understood that such a shoot in the final analysis doesnt really amount to much, then we can just all have fun and shake hands and still be willing to explore BOTH arms in our own systems.
**** Do you think poor Win Tinnon has two 200-lb Saskias that he wants to schlep to Denver from North Carolina, just so two prima donna tonearm makers can argue over cartridges and phono stages?***
[smiling] Relax! I was just dreaming out loud! [smile] and...just throwing it out there...who knows!...maybe this dream might gain some momentum! ...I realize how much work and how expensive it must be to move those saskias and the economy isnt doing so well but maybe it would be some good exposure for his tables to be involved in such a shoot out? And maybe he's up for some good fun and thats reason enough for him?
I did realize the logistical problems with that and that is why i offered option "B", which was ...making use of a single acustic raven table, just throwing ideas out there and having fun. I picked those two off the top of my head because when i think of them i think "low noise" tables. It could be any table though.
If 100 people voted anonymously and 60 chose schroder and 40 talea, does that mean anything? Do most people have a refined enough palate to pick out the 200 dollar bottle of wine from the 60 dollar?
If boston wins the stanley cup does that mean they are the better team? I guess one could ask me...If you think all that and believe it to be true why do you propose the above shoot out in the first place or suggest it?
Well, because they are both respectable arms and for the sheer pleasure of making the comparison! in good fun! just for the sport of it!
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***You are a true optimist.**** [smiling]
No, I'm a dreamer!!!!
[...like i said above... "wouldn't it be wild?!!!!"]
Yes!...it would!
Imagine that ...2 saskias! One with a talea, one with a schroder. Both set up to the designers satisfaction and by their expertise!
The post was what i would consider one of my ultimate "fantasy shoot outs" [which always includes "controlled" testing] and only ONE variable and just the thought of it was thrilling!
Didn't i mention it would be daunting? I realize that it would be difficult for them to say yes to such a thing because of the ramifications of the outcomes. Even in the that controlled environment, there are still problems with it.
In short comparisons with limited discs your understanding of "which is the better arm" is weak. When we listen we focus on one aspect of the music at a time but it takes several listens to the same track, to get a more complete picture and bottom line. Sometimes with some aspects it can take months to wrap ones mind around whether they like one arm over the other. No?
Then theres the problem of the publicity of the results, the blanket statements that will be made afterwards , which assumes that the conclusions are definitive and objective.
Plus, the shoot out is still being done in isolation to hundreds of other systems out there and so while one arm might work better in one system it might not in another.
If the larger community of audiophiles really understood that such a shoot in the final analysis doesnt really amount to much, then we can just all have fun and shake hands and still be willing to explore BOTH arms in our own systems.
**** Do you think poor Win Tinnon has two 200-lb Saskias that he wants to schlep to Denver from North Carolina, just so two prima donna tonearm makers can argue over cartridges and phono stages?***
[smiling] Relax! I was just dreaming out loud! [smile] and...just throwing it out there...who knows!...maybe this dream might gain some momentum! ...I realize how much work and how expensive it must be to move those saskias and the economy isnt doing so well but maybe it would be some good exposure for his tables to be involved in such a shoot out? And maybe he's up for some good fun and thats reason enough for him?
I did realize the logistical problems with that and that is why i offered option "B", which was ...making use of a single acustic raven table, just throwing ideas out there and having fun. I picked those two off the top of my head because when i think of them i think "low noise" tables. It could be any table though.
If 100 people voted anonymously and 60 chose schroder and 40 talea, does that mean anything? Do most people have a refined enough palate to pick out the 200 dollar bottle of wine from the 60 dollar?
If boston wins the stanley cup does that mean they are the better team? I guess one could ask me...If you think all that and believe it to be true why do you propose the above shoot out in the first place or suggest it?
Well, because they are both respectable arms and for the sheer pleasure of making the comparison! in good fun! just for the sport of it!
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