SCOUTMASTER TO ARIES 3


I was planning to upgrade from my Scoutmaster table to the
Super Scoutmaster. But after looking at the VPI website I noticed that they are coming out with a Aries 3 to replace the Aries 2. Is the Aries 3 a better bet than the Super Scoutmaster. Any thoughts would be appreciated. In short does the Aries 3 offer any sonic advantages over a SuperScoutmaster. It seems that the Aries 3 can also have the outer ring clamsp added as well as the sds. as options, just like the Scoutmaster. The Aries does use the 10.5 Arm vs. the 9 inch arm of the Scoutmaster.
Does the 10.5 arm sound better than the 9 inch arm?
Any input owuld be appreciated..
kjl
I wholeheartedly echo Stew's comments re the Aries 2. I have an Aries 2 rig almost identical to Stew's: Aries 2, flywheel/motor, periphery ring, center weight, JMW 10.5 "plus" (with Valhalla wiring upgrade), and SDS. My cartridge is a Helikon. I have not heard a HR-X, but I bet that this comes very close. Stew, where did you get that 4-1/2" maple butcher block that was big enough for your Aries 2 with the flywheel/motor?
FWIW, Harry Pearson of TAS chose the Super Scoutmaster (SSM) and the TNT HR-X for "Golden Ear" awards. He chose the SSM over the various Aries tables, which I thought interesting. You might want to look at the article that Pearson wrote about the SSM before you make your buying decision.
Folks should keep in mind that when the first Scout was issued they were marketed as "Aries Scouts". They are part of the Aries family with a smaller footprint. The Aries 3 is coming out with a plinth design based on the Scoutmaster/Super Scoutmaster plinth. Both have as stock the same 300 rpm motor, they both offer variations on the theme of flywheel, no flywheel, dual HRX motor, etc. The Aries Black Knight (someone correct me if I am wrong) cannot accept the periphery ring. The larger clear acrylic platter of the Scoutmaster/Aries 2 can. The major difference between the Aries and the Scout/Master/SSM is the gloss black of the Aries, the larger footprint of the Aries and the ability to take the JMW 10.5 arm where the Scout series uses the JMW 9/9 Signature. people can argue all day as to which of the two is the better arm and both would be right.
I've just sent my 300 rpm motor from my ScoutMaster that is "tricked out" (JMW 9 Sig arm, SDS, center weight, outer ring) to VPI to be upgraded to their new single fly wheel motor combo. (see their web page for details). Mr. W told me that it will work with any VPI table that has a cut out for motor; Scouts, ScoutMasters and Aries.

I thought about selling table and upgrading to a Super ScoutMaster or Aries 3 but decided to upgrade the motor and spend the rest on all the vinyl I can get my hands on instead.

YMMV

Scubabiker
The motor/flywheel comes with a pair of belts, one from the motor pulley to the flywheel and a second from the flywheel to the platter. In fact, VPI will send you a second belt for the platter just for the asking as they find a second belt provides greater speed stability. Keep in mind gentlemen, and this is important, if you are going to add a flywheel, you MUST use some kind of speed controller. It is for this reason that any table VPI sells with the HR-x motor, i.e. SSM or HR-x comes with an SDS as stock. I use a PS Audio P500 for speed control. With the new upgrade, it is adjustable to a 1/16 of a Hz. Without a speed controller, the table will run slow. So anyone contemplating the motor/flywheel upgrade better account for a speed controller in the equation.