Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias


It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
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@geoffkait,


jea48
@geoffkait ,

I do not have any opinion one way or the other on fuse directionality. I do not have any personal experience listening to the direction of a fuse. Now that’s out of the way.

>>>>>>That’s weird. I thought everyone had an opinion on such a controversial topic. 😳 Have you checked for a pulse recently?

jea48 said:

jea48
@geoffkait ,

I do not have any opinion one way or the other on fuse directionality. I do not have any personal experience listening to the direction of a fuse. Now that’s out of the way


geoffkait response:

>>>>>>That’s weird. I thought everyone had an opinion on such a controversial topic. 😳 Have you checked for a pulse recently?



@geoffkait,

No geoffkait, not everyone is obsessed with fuse directionality as you are.

Just curious geoffkait, what personal listening experience do you have with fuse directionality? What piece of your audio system equipment did you find that made the biggest difference?

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I see no legitimacy in a declarative, one sided, accusatory blast at what is perception and unsubstantiated guess work, wherein the OP wishes legal action is pursued aginst undeclared manufacturers for groundless ill defined harms.

Sue them all for their possible claims for products may or may not have caused.

Yeah. Good luck with that.

As for debates on electronic goods and accessories, The only and apparently everlasting obstacle of contention remains the aspect of perception vs supposed sciences..

I’m good with which ever has more weight. More creedance. Most legitimate.

I will however use what I have to determine either positions validity.

My methodology is exactly the same as it is for anyone. Hearing and listening to the attributes of the item under examination. Viewing or understanding its esthetics. Fully realizing its actual financial impact. Establishing on a personal level a degree of quantification for the said thing’s performance vs price.

That’s it. Nothing more or less. Just listening., looking and thinking.

It is what 99% of humans do to make decisions on audio equipment.

They walk into the showroom with possibly a copy of consumer reports, or some audio magazine under their arm and ask to see the yada yada thingy described in the mag’s article.

They listen. Then usually, almost always ask what else is comparable I might have, and then I’ll show that to them.

Which one do they always buy?

Its always a coin toss. Always.

Too many human conditions are in the mix. It ain’t all about the specs for the immense majority of the buying public.

And it never will be solely about technical specs.

Technical specs say a lot of important things. They say nothing about system synergy. Neither will they persuade someone to put themselves into harms way moneywise.

Fairy dust or snake oil be damned. Those are the bullets the scientific camp shoots first.

When push comes to shove, the weapons they use to buy with however is always the same thing everyone else uses. Sensibility and available funding.
the only exception here is the same thing which drives much of upper range audio, and certainly this site and those like it.

ego.

Geez, don’t tell me this is going to be another one of those dreadful, What about this? What about that? threads.