So Weird- No Stylus Contact Woofer Pumping with Hana ML and Elac PPA-2


I observed the weirdest thing I have ever seen in audio. With the cartridge positioned above the record, tone arm locked up and platter spinning, the woofers were pumping on my system. I googled every permutation of query I could think of but came back with no hits. That’s when I decided to video the problem- link below:

Mystery Woofer Pumping

I could type out all the details but the video pretty much covers everything. I thought ya’ll might be interested in this.

 

mitchellcp

"I find a subset of people in the Analog section of the board who are terse, unhelpful and impolite if not outright rude and insulting. What could be more unhelpful than to present, as a fact, something that simply false."

Would you like a lollipop to make you feel better? I made an error in my preconception of the definition of the term "rise time", and I subsequently admitted as much. No insult was intended. Yes, things can get heated here once in a while. You came here with your mystery. Now you want to insist that you alone have solved it. OK. I read that your preamplifier uses no output coupling capcitor; instead, it uses a servo to balance out any DC offset in its output. So your preamplifier could in theory emit DC, IF and only if its servo corrector is not operating rapidly enough to prevent any DC offset in its output. But even then, the error in cancelling DC would likely be in the low mV range, perhaps not enough to move your woofer so obviously.  (I say this because I use an Atma=sphere MP1 preamplifier that also uses a servo to cancel DC, and I have measured the error at 2mV, max.) I don’t know what amplifier you are using. If your amplifier uses a coupling capacitor at any point in its circuitry, then the amplifier cannot pass DC to your speaker, even the low level that might theoretically get past your preamplifier. Those are just facts. Not insults. I am only interested in getting the facts straight, because if you write something here that is just not possible based on facts, then some other reader may be misled. I operate on the assumption we are all here to learn.

The problem isn't solved really. That woofer pumping should not occur to that extent. I believe there is a problem with the ELAC PPA-2 balanced input. Both single end inputs function fine. I'll be looking into it this weekend. I bought to unit on US Audiomart so no warranty for me.

… DC into your woofer might burn up the voice coil but won’t move the diaphragm…

@lewm

That is false… DC will make a constant magnetic field that will then push the diaphragm off center.

It would need to be a pretty high offset to deliver enough energy to move it to overload the woofer thermally.

If it is not moving the diaphragm, then there is no AC and no DC.

 

Whatever the source is that’s moving your woofer it is an AC signal doing the work..

Yes AC, but AC that is at a low frequency.
Hence my earlier suggestion of a DC blocking capacitor, which blocks low frequencies.

But the freqs needing to be quashed, maybe higher than 20Hz as the table is turning at ~2Hz and the think is rising and settling over a small angular extent.

The problem isn’t solved really. That woofer pumping should not occur to that extent. I believe there is a problem with the ELAC PPA-2 balanced input. Both single end inputs function fine. I’ll be looking into it this weekend. I bought to unit on US Audiomart so no warranty for me.

Even more troubling @mitchellcp is that the causal mechanism is not known.
It would be interesting to try another phono stage that is balanced to help identify you hypothesis of the ELAC. But it seems like a rational conclusion.

A pragmatic person might just chuck in the RCAs.