Soundstage Width and Depth


I’m curious about what your systems produce when it comes to soundstage. My speakers are about 8’ apart and I sit about 10’ from the front plane of the speakers. The speakers are toed in so that they each are pointed at a spot about 8” from my ears on each side. (Laser verified) My room is treated with bass absorption and diffusers.

In many recordings my soundstage is approx 28’ wide and, although this is tougher to determine, I would say on most recordings I’m hearing sounds 10’-15’ further back than the speaker plane. Some sounds, usually lead guitars, are presented slightly in front of the plane of the speakers. There are also recordings that produce height in the soundstage. Some fill the room floor to ceiling, while others are more on the same plane about 5’ from the floor. I do get layers usually in about the same order, guitars, lead singer, bass guitar, drums, violins and backup instruments and singers in order front to back. Again this is recording dependent. Intimate recordings that feature a singer playing a guitar usually has all of the sound between the speakers. Is this what everyone experiences? Could the depth be deeper? Do many of you hear sounds in front of the speaker plane? Do you have any recordings that accentuate the front to back soundstage?
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There are speakers whose soundstage starts on a plane in front of the plane of the drivers, some whose soundstage starts coincident with the plane of the drivers, and some that start behind.  All other things being equal, the third category will give you the "deepest" soundstage, but only because it already starts further back to begin with.

One test that's fairly easy is to see whether with a good recording the farthest back point of the soundstage is perceived as lying beyond the front wall (behind the speakers).

Personally, I'm not fond of speakers in category 1; I find them too "in your face".  YMMV.

What you’re hearing sounds right to me. Most important point is you notice it varies by recording. This is key. Recordings are not all recorded equal, mastered the same, pressings vary, and producers are all over the map when it comes to where they want things to sound like they’re coming from. The more you hear these different recordings sounding different like this the more you can be sure you’re getting it right.

These differences can with certain recordings go so far as to make it seem like the sound is right in your face, or coming from anywhere even sometimes way off to the side beyond the speakers or other times coming from nowhere or everywhere all at once. I’m talking extremes here, not what is common, but just to drive home the point the range is so vast you can’t really talk dimensions in a general sense very well, because there are so many exceptions.

What can be said in a general sense is there is a tendency for the system as if it goes in a more liquid natural presentation with less grain and glare there is a slight tendency for the stage to gain in depth. Certainly when the noise floor drops like you can get with really good power cords, IC and speaker cables (and other things, everything can do this) so that more of the acoustic signature of the venue is heard this will increase your sense of depth and space expanding the stage. We got a guy here misinterprets everything so let me be clear I'm not saying the instruments all move farther apart. Everything stays where it was, you just get the sense its all taking place in a much bigger space, because you can hear the reverberant signature of that space so much more clearly.

The greatest and most universally achievable improvement of all is the improvement you get with a DBA. A huge amount of our sense of space derives from our perception of really low frequency bass. When this is right it creates a sense of envelopment, of being no longer in your room but in the recording venue.
The best way to test your system, for accurate, sound stage reproduction: https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_ledr.php     Also available, on the following Chesky CD, along with a number of other tests(ie: stage depth, Wood Effect/reverse polarity, etc):    https://www.amazon.com/Chesky-Records-Sampler-Audiophile-Compact/dp/B000003GF3      More info, regarding the LEDR test: https://www.stereophile.com/features/772/index.html                    OOPS; I forgot, we’re not supposed to EVER trust our ears, according to the pseudo, "science" types, around here(snort of derision).
Excellent answer by @millercarbon. dBA? A-weighted measurement?
Also agree with @twoleftears regarding speaker design.

With a combination of specific tubes in my amp, I'm able to achieve a 3D image that centers around the middle of the speakers, projects forward, and still extends back to the wall. The design of my speakers also makes this soundstage possible.
I neglected to mention hours of speaker positioning was required.


@baclagg - can I ask about your system? What pre-amp and amp and speakers and source are you using? I’m curious aside from the recording itself, which components can render a huge soundstage. My thinking is that a great preamp plays a big role.