speakers and cables

I unplugged the subs from wall, sub stayed dead, speakers still worked. Does it mean there is no crossover? Just wires?

@grizly, I am going to plead ignorance on that one at this point. When I came up with my crossover hypotheses I was basing it on the answer that @mitch2 posted earlier and then the discussion I found on another forum in answer to the question of whether a sub has a crossover. If the last answer you got is accurate, the speaker wire connection feeds a full frequency signal from the amp through the subs and to the main speakers. And if that is accurate, then I also ASSUME that the adjustable low pass filter on the back of the sub is also utilized in the speaker wire mode. So I guess if all that is true, the closest one could get get to having a crossover (for the subs) would be the high pass filter that I had been talking about in this thread, as it would cut frequencies off to the main speakers below whatever frequency it was set at.

So I honestly don’t know, if @deep says he has taken subwoofers apart, he has done way more than I ever have to them, and therefore would know way more than I about them, so if he is saying there is no crossover, I guess that’s the best I have to go on at this point. I’ll continue to watch this thread and see what else anyone might have to say on the subject.

After I took my aspirin, I thought deeper into my way of doing it and I don't think it will work. @grislybutter you're right in your diagram, that's what I was thinking.

The only way my way will work is if the output on sub1 sends the full signal to sub2, which it won't. It's low pass filter at the input I believe will stop the lows there and only pass on the higher signal through the high pass filter on its output to sub2 negating what having a second sub in the mix is for in the first place since no low Hz signal will be going to it. 

@grislybutter,

There's only filters on your subs, not active. I guess you can call them really simple crossovers. They work whether the subs amp is on or off. I believe what @deep_333 is saying is; in a higher end system, unless your gear has a 'sub out' to go directly to your sub so your amp speaker outs can go directly to your speakers so you can bypass the subs sound degrading outs, it's always the way to go since your speakers will receive a much 'cleaner' signal than if also run through the sub.

Might not be the smartest guy in the room, I don't understand why this is so difficult. 

You have 1 amp, 2 subs and 2 speakers. 

You are going to be using line level inputs on the subs. You have L/R subs

Amp has L/R outputs

There are L/R speakers. 

Easy way is to go....

amp-LSub-Lspeaker 

Amp-Rsub-Rspeaker

You can do that a few ways run speaker wire to the sub, speaker wire from sub to speaker. Or you can bi-wire sub/speaker

The other way if you want speaker fist to not degrade the signal is...

amp-Lspaker-Lsub

You can us a spade from the speaker to the sub.

Keep it simple, don't overthink it, don't think you need to buy a bunch of things and have a tangled mess to hook up. Also use the crossovers and filters on the subs. I don't have subs on the 2ch stop, but have 2 big subs on my HT setup. Hooking them up was easy, getting the XO point, location and level set was the most difficult. Also when done, make sure the subs are in phase. That will kill this entire process. 

@immathewj @mswale @thecarpathian

I apologize if I confused or frustrated anyone. I know it's a simple issue for people who know what they are doing. I clearly don't.

In the process, I learned a few things though. The silver lining is that if I had a sub out or pre out on my component, I wouldn't have gone down in these rabbit holes and would not have learned anything. 

I also learned many ways to degrade a signal