sub positioning..

With Jim Thiel's subs, it doesn't matter because his system allows you to dial in their placement relative to the room boundaries, then you're done. Voila, perfect integration with your mains.

Placement won't affect the sound stage as long as the sub is properly calibrated (use an SPL meter), you're using a low enough (< ~100Hz) cross-over frequency, the cross-over slope is steep enough (should be 24dB/octave low-pass), your sub-woofer doesn't have too much distortion, and you aren't creating any rattles.

Placement will affect the sub's frequency response and output level. Placements which produce higher SPLs for a given input will obviously have higher maximum output and produce less distortion for a given output level.

If you cannot delay the signal to the nearer of the sub and main speakers the sub placement will also affect how it integrates with the mains in the cross-over region.

Drew,

You kind of lost me at placement.....

Placing any sub or subs is very difficult. If you want the best from any sub and system you need someone with a spectrum analyzer to find the correct location. Two subs are actually easier to place than one and at least for music sound much better. I've read many of the Audiogon threads and info published on the web and tried most of the schemes on my own but was never satisfied until a pro helped set them up. Now I would not trade my Revel Sub 30s for anything, but before I serioiusly had my doubts and thought I'd made a big mistake. Mine are placed at the midpoints of the sidewalls. It cost quite a bit to get the cables to hook them up but the sound was brought up several levels once this was done.

sgr,

oh, okay. I pick up alot on on the gon but had no idea what an spl was...thanks..I was thinking of getting another sub but there is a whole list of things before that. thanks for the info...

dude, your system is something else...