Subwoofer Decision


I have narrowed my search to two choices though I am sure I will get comments steering me away from these.
Contrast Rythmik Audio 12G with Vandersteen 2Wq. I would like to get only one though I know a pair are best choice. Could maybe afford 2 Rythmik, but only 1 Vandersteen for now. The subwoofer would support Dali Helicons (4 ohms) biwired and driven by 2 mono McIntosh MC 252's at 500 watts each into 4 ohms. Living room size aprox. 24'x16'x8' placement not centered on 16' wall due to furniture (wife) constraints must stay put. Subwoofer placement needs also to stay there as well, I know this limits possible best choice for placement, my bad. There is room behind, next to, and between speakers. Any help help is appreciated.
128x128lowfreqguy

@bdp24, this has been an interesting and timely thread. I’m encouraged to read that ESL speakers respond so well with Rythmik subs.

My dedicated music room is pretty much finished sans subwoofer support. I use JansZen’s hybrid Valentina ESL speakers driven by Linear Tube Audio’s ZOTL40 amp and MZ2 preamp, both license David Berning designs. I’m also a vinyl junkie just recently adding the new Technics SL-1200G turntable.

This mix provides a very well balanced and revealing system. Bass with the JansZens is flat to about 30Hz, but I know something is missing and I would classify my bass as super clean, accurate, but polite. I’m not a bass freak, but even David Janszen has told a few of us customers that bass has a ton of ambient information that lives well below what the speakers can produce that only good subwoofers will bring forward. He uses explanations that clip my understand, but in the end he puts it that bass can be great with the right support. A few of us do use subs and I think I’m next. Everyone says use 2 subs. My room is modest size.

My independent research has somewhat narrowed the search to JL Audio and SVS sealed subs and to the servo controlled Rythmik F12G. I have had a 15" Velodyne servo sub in my HT for years and I like what the servo approach does for control. I really like reading what the Rythmik approach does. I also like that the F12G is more affordable than the JL Audio e-series subs. All the other sub brands I’ve researched seem like me-too designs. SVS has stood out simply due to great pricing and amazing customer support. I do know of one friend who uses Vandersteen subs but I know those are priced higher than I care to spend, given that I’m already sold on the idea that I’ll want two.

One nice feature of my LTA amp is it has a pre-amp pass through ability for single ended connections. My amp is between my speakers on a floor rack so bridging interconnects to a couple of subs placed by each speaker should be an easy setup.




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Excellent price, excellent performance!
I am running two in my system and could not be happier.
Cheers
The "slow' vs "fast" issue regarding subs is especially strange and inaccurate. Bass note "hangover" is generally the room continuing to resonate from low tones (unless damped by rugs, extreme cobweb infestation, bad furniture, or your fat cousin Bob) which is what low tones do, and it should be noted that 15s or 12s or 10s or 8s all respond to bass amp commands similarly (although I like the REL main amp derived method), and when those low notes wind up at your ears it's not due to "speed" at launch as that's just a lazy non technical comprehension catch all.
Best bass driver ever made is the Danley/Eminence designed and built by Eminence LAB12. It's in use by all IMAX and OMNIMAX theaters. Get any subwoofer using a LAB12 and you're set.

One example would be the BK Electronics Monolith Plus. Which also uses a 500 watt MOSFET amplifier. BK used to be the OEM manufacturer for REL. They were responsible for the ST range (Strata, Storm, Stentor, Stadium), which made REL famous worldwide. REL makes Chinese crap now. 

BK has my vote as the ultimate internet direct subwoofer manufacturer. If I had to choose another company, it would be HSU.

As for Vandersteen versus Rythmik, Vandersteen destroys it in every possible way.