Hobby or not, thanks to you I just learned that Freddie Mercury's stamp collection was sold and money donated to some AIDS charity. Ronnie Wood has not sold his yet, nor have Warren Buffet and Queen Elizabeth II.
Talk but not walk?
Hi Guys
This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
thanks, be polite
Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net
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Hi glupson I very much enjoyed your post! You have a gift in writing. Reading you I always feel I'm able to see your thoughts even if I have interpreted them incorrectly in the past. I think that is rare in forum settings because, like with emails and texting, we read the words but also add to them our own personalities to the mix. Like that game we played as kids where someone says something in someone's ear and by the time it gets pasted around the room it's a completely different meaning let alone words. I on the other hand am not a gifted writer and sometimes lucky if my points are intelligible at all. I'm far better at "show and tell" than tell alone. Which is why the OP applies to me as well. If I didn't have systems around me all day I doubt if I could "talk" anything meaningful or useful on these forums as well as TuneLand at all. I would say I am a walker who is constantly learning about the talk side of life in general. It's been weird that I have been asked to speak so many times through my life and even been asked to teach. I have written entire university courses and even accepted to teach at SUNY, but when I got there felt very inadequate that I would ever pull off what these amazing people do. Dr. Robert Barstow is one of these amazing personalities who at one time was pushing to build a Tuning Research Lab on the campus at Oneonta. That was one of my wow moments in life. I could ramble till your ears bleed about the people who have approached me about what I do. Again pretty wow-ish for me at least. "On a different note, I did ask recently what it is about you that ignites so many people, call it rubs them the wrong way. I have a feeling it is not just the content of the discussion as responses, at least to me, seem to be out of proportion. Just your existence on this thread, as anonymous and ultimately unimportant for the world that it is, brings some combative tendencies out. Do you have any idea what it is? Does it happen to you in real life? It may have nothing to do with audio topics, but I noticed it over the days so I thought I might ask." part one glupson, I can only give examples and hints to this cause it has been my personal mystery as well through life. I smile and think that maybe someday someone will look back and read this and other documents and say maybe I had a part (small part) in something much bigger than myself. I think it was amg who said how arrogant I was. Truth is I have no idea if I am or if I'm what the opposite side says. I get up every morning, thank God for another day, and begin tuning. My goal is to tune and build as much of a historical basis as I can through my lifetime. I use to think that while I was alive the Tuning Revolution would be in full swing and all things audio and mechanical would be sensory evaluated and self tuning, and even though it's going to be, it is still possibly beyond my lifetime. It's exciting to me though to see how far we have come in innovative technologies during our life times. The ego fights we see here on these pages and other pages of journals mean little to me. The push into what will be is what drives me. Michael Green www.michaelgreenaudio.net |
@grannyring "06-03-2018 8:39pm@mapman I just realized you have over 15,000 posts! Oh my goodness you deserve the trophy!" Is that why katie incessantly bullies and stalks him, jealousy? Honestly, I found the number more than surprising when you posted it. Maybe because mapman’s posts seem rational, well-informed, and kind explains why they never struck me as excessive or overly ubiquitous |
trelja @grannyring "06-03-2018 8:39pm@mapman I just realized you have over 15,000 posts! Oh my goodness you deserve the trophy!" Is that why katie incessantly bullies and stalks him, jealousy? Yes, I’m the one staliking him. 😀 Honestly, I found the number more than surprising when you posted it. Maybe because mapman’s posts seem rational, well-informed, and kind explains why they never struck me as excessive or overly ubiquitous. >>>>Yeah, right. You two must be in the same wavelength. 👯♀️ |
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