Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Geoff,

I know how they work.  Your brain only works in the compressive world same as you think the Shakti Hollographs only do. When a compressive wave passes across the solid surface of the varied forms of wood of the Hollographs that wave turns into a shear wave ( only in a solid) . That shear wave motion causes the solid to move slightly.. the  air around that shape to vibrate and the fact that there are 2 different species of wood of over basically 6 different sections and lengths you now have a change in the compressive wave 6 different times per single unit. Now that 6 times does not take into account the boundary areas where  the twisted pattern in the wood is held at each end..nor does it take into account where it appears there 2 different species of wood joined together at their intersections..All those areas now included  have a different shear velocity as do the 2 different species of wood as do the different sectioned lengths that  cause a change in air motion and that is what you hear when those waves come in contact with other solids like the wall surface and your eardrums..they too resonate and cause a change in air motion... So how many times are those shear waves in all those materials and shapes make for change in your compressive world?  Tom


Glupson,

Shear waves only transmit in solids not air or water..Air and water have very loose connections, solids have very tight connections. I suppose  molten metals or molten lava would behave somewhere in between a state of liquid or solid and that would change as the material cooled into a solid state. Tom
theaudiotweak,

I suspect I understand your points, but am at the same time, for my own exercise, broadening it and considering different media borders (for lack of better definition, wherever different density material meets) and what would and could happen there and how the transmission would change. Again, probably off-topic at this point, but most of the things on this thread are not related anyway. And I mean, thanks. Regardless of if you will be 50 years from now proven right or wrong.