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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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jetter,

I think even those are not the answers. He does continue talking same few things, but actually not as an answer. They are statements frequently unrelated to anything asked.


geoffkait,

I will repeat my question. What model is your Panasonic portable CD player.

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geoffkait
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I see no evidence you ever asked the question, glubson. Besides, I already answered a similar question from uberwaltz some months back. Yes, I know, pumpkin, what about this? What about that?
glupson
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geoffkait,

I did not expect you to answer this time, either. I just asked to make sure you have not changed for better.

If it were not predictable, it would be OK.

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geoffkait
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I see no evidence you ever asked the question so I surmise you’re lying about it.  

But to answer your question, I actually prefer not (rpt) to say which Panasonic model I’m using at present, now that you bring it up. I use maybe five different players in the course of a year, of different brands and models. I trust that answers your question.
glupson
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I got it. You prefer not to answer. It will not change anything important, but remember that you did not answer.


As a little note on a side, I do not lie and I did ask the question before. It might have not been on "Talk but not walk" thread, but I did ask. Lack of evidence does not mean that certain event did not occur. It may merely mean that investigation has been flawed.

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