The invention of measurements and perception


This is going to be pretty airy-fairy. Sorry.

Let’s talk about how measurements get invented, and how this limits us.

One of the great works of engineering, science, and data is finding signals in the noise. What matters? Why? How much?

My background is in computer science, and a little in electrical engineering. So the question of what to measure to make systems (audio and computer) "better" is always on my mind.

What’s often missing in measurements is "pleasure" or "satisfaction."

I believe in math. I believe in statistics, but I also understand the limitations. That is, we can measure an attribute, like "interrupts per second" or "inflamatory markers" or Total Harmonic Distortion plus noise (THD+N)

However, measuring them, and understanding outcome and desirability are VERY different. Those companies who can do this excel at creating business value. For instance, like it or not, Bose and Harman excel (in their own ways) at finding this out. What some one will pay for, vs. how low a distortion figure is measured is VERY different.

What is my point?

Specs are good, I like specs, I like measurements, and they keep makers from cheating (more or less) but there must be a link between measurements and listener preferences before we can attribute desirability, listener preference, or economic viability.

What is that link? That link is you. That link is you listening in a chair, free of ideas like price, reviews or buzz. That link is you listening for no one but yourself and buying what you want to listen to the most.

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erik_squires
Listening to music a "hobby"? Not for me; it’s at least as important as breathing, eating, or any other activity necessary to sustain life.
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kosst_amojan

@geoffkait

You’re the guy who’s always trying to inject quantum mechanics into everything. And then you pin it all on me or other people to make ridiculous strawmen to crucify. Are you the guy for whom your last quote was written? I honestly can’t figure out what side of things you’re on.

>>>>>Huh? What are you ranting about? I bring up quantum mechanics when it’s appropriate, like in this discussion. Consciousness and quantum mechanics and perception all go hand in hand in hand 🤝, as I’ve described. It has nothing to do with you. Don’t be such a drama queen. 💃

There is no definite line separating quantum mechanics and classical physics any more.

“The fault is not in the stars but in ourselves.”


 kosst_amojan" You’re the guy who’s always trying to inject quantum mechanics into everything. And then you pin it all on me or other people to make ridiculous strawmen to crucify"

This contributor to our forum is misinformed, confused, or disoriented, and deliberately interrupting, disrupting, or derailing the discussion through the use of personal attacks, ad hominem argumentation, or outright vituperative personal insult.

Hear is an example of kosst's essential, fundamental, religious belief, that establishes him as a Great Visionary and the sole, single, solitary expert here who shall not be questioned, challenged or doubted in even the smallest, slightest, tiny way:

"In the strictest scientific sense, there is no such thing as music, or sound, or color, or hot or cold".
utter nonsense!

HEA goes past what can be measured. HEA audio brands that have spent decades earning my respect is where I began the listening tests, I don't bother with the specs; that's for mid -fi.