The Miller Carbon Story


Had a real nice conversation this morning with Origin Live’s Mark Baker. Mark makes some of the very best turntables on the planet and I was interested to learn more. This was our first conversation and so he was interested in me as well. This reminded me of others who have asked.   

The following story is only superficially about the Miller Carbon. The larger and I would say more important subtext is you can do it too! Please dear reader note the number of times something was tried not knowing whether or not it would work. Like all things in life: The more things you try and the more effort you put into it the better you get at it.


The Miller Carbon Story

My first turntable was a Technics SL-1700 with Stanton 681-EEE. It was 1976. Still have that turntable, anyone can see it, right there on my system page.  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367. Rack on the right. Bottom shelf.  

Next, after college, came the Listening Room and with it a new turntable. This was way before the internet. All we had was Stereophile On Dead Tree. After reading all the reviews it came down to a VPI package or Basis/Graham. What to do? Cast your mind back, way back, to the primitive past. I faxed my question to Stereophile.  

Michael Fremer called me back!   

The Basis/Graham was my own decision. Fremer didn’t talk me into anything. Quite the opposite. He was a source of much useful information that helped me make up my own mind. So it was that I learned early on from Michael Fremer what it is that a reviewer really is supposed to do: provide the reader with the information they need to make their own informed decision.  

My first high end mod was to remove the cheap rubber power cord from the Basis motor and replace it with an inexpensive power cord. Cheap, but proven to be better than all the freebie PCs and I wanted to find out if it made any difference on a turntable motor.  

It did! Same exact improvements heard on the other components it had been tried on before. How or why, who knows, but I heard it. Other mods followed. Different belt materials were used. Silk, cotton, floss. Each had its own influence on the sound. Fascinating!  

This was all part of the process of investigating turntable performance in order to upgrade. Easy to read about different materials, mass, motors, bearings- but what does it all mean in the real world? This was my way of figuring it out for myself.  

Teres Audio seemed to be the value leader. A complete turntable was too expensive, but the motor could be added to the Basis with only a slight modification for the speed sensor. When this worked out extremely well it gave me the confidence to go for the platter and bearing.  

But what about the plinth? Around this time I was working with DJ Casser and his Black Diamond Racing Shelf. His Shelf material was so much more effective than acrylic, it had to make a better plinth too. After a good deal more planning a BDR Source Shelf was cut into a unique sort of egg shape. Another piece was cut 4” diameter, drilled and tapped to be used as the nut to hold the bearing. Two more pieces about 3 inches in diameter were cut and stacked to make the tone arm mount. Three Round Things with Cones were screwed into the bottom of the plinth. The Miller Carbon was born. http://www.teresaudio.com/fame/40.html



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Interesting read MC.  It is always an curious time when we have modified, experimented, and tweaked a piece to the point we now realize that the next logical step is to move to something new (at least to us) and start our journey over again.  I have had a few quality discussions with Mark Baker and currently enjoy both an OL Illustrious mk3c and OL Enterprise Mk4 on my Soverign TT.  This is my third OL table and they have always perplexed some in my audio group who mostly have higher end VPI tables and arms for a multitude of reasons.  Looking forward to what will reside under the dust cover you describe as being designed for the next table.
Rick
Funny you should mention, this thread is sort of a dual-purpose. People have asked me about it, and kept getting put off. Until now, when a new Origin Live Sovereign MkIV and Enterprise MkIV arm are due here next week. 😍😍

Perfect segue, as you will probably notice every step of the Miller Carbon story was in a way slowly leading me to Mark Baker's approach.  

For sure the Miller Carbon is a fine table, and should provide years of listening pleasure to whoever buys it. For me it is as you say time to move on (after 17 years!) and everything learned on this table gives me a deep appreciation for what Mark is doing with the Sovereign. 

Or so it looks in reviews and video anyway. Soon we will see!  
https://youtu.be/8ZkOzh9GFHk?t=5
Love my Sovereign Mk3-2 dual tonearm TT. I expect you will enjoy the MkIV as well as the Enterprise MkIV.
millercarbon OP10,409 posts
08-07-2021 1:16pm

Funny you should mention, this thread is sort of a dual-purpose. 

For sure the Miller Carbon is a fine table, and should provide years of listening pleasure to whoever buys it. For me it is as you say time to move on (after 17 years!) and everything learned on this table gives me a deep appreciation for what Mark is doing with the Sovereign.

Now I see why you didn't want any posts by anyone who saw the failings in your homebrew turntable.

This thread appears to be purely an advertorial for you to sell your homebrew turntable through the back door via the forum.

How about listing it on Audiogon and paying a sales fee.




I wonder how others feel about attacking someone personally like that over something clearly not even ready to be sold yet?

drrsutliff-

Love my Sovereign Mk3-2 dual tonearm TT. I expect you will enjoy the MkIV as well as the Enterprise MkIV.

Thanks. Initial impression, to judge by reviews and comments such as yours, Origin Live is another outstanding UK performer that has somehow managed to fly under the radar here in the States. We will see.

When you say your OL tables have always perplexed some in your audio group I have a hunch why that might be but curious to know what it is that you think they find puzzling?