>>it's quite easy to effect some change<<
I agree that one can effect *change* with a speaker cable.
This has never been in contention.
Sean claimed he could hear a "roll-off" with 12 gauge Zip Cord.
Of course, after repeating this a number of times without specifying the amount of the "roll-off" -- I did some searching.
Sure, it is with a simulated 4 Ohm load, but still -- it is better than being vague with no specific info at all, but in the simulation, with a 10 foot length of 12 gauge Zip cord into a 4 ohm load, the "roll-off" is .088 db.
Do I believe Sean can hear that?
Nope. Nada. Null and void.
Now, the rest of this, IMO, is to distract from his claim.
He cannot back it up. Never can, never will.
I predict we will see nothing but diversion and non-sequiters.
IMO, it could have been no biggie if Sean had done the minimum that one does to protect one's credibility.
He could have included the numbers the next time he followed me to a thread and made the same claim about the "roll-off" and he could have at least indicated that there is some doubt about whether or not anyone could hear it.
Instead, he made comments about how people with really good ears can hear such things.
Then, I posted the reference about how 3.05 db attentuation at 16Khz is the minimum threshold for detection and he switched the topic to Nordost cables
and cooked up this test to see if the two cables sound *DIFFERENT.*
This isn't MY issue. I believe cables can sound rolled-off and they can sound bumped in the high end, or they can be robbed of detail if there sin't sufficient guage.
So, trying to argue me into acknowledging that speaker cables can sound different is a non-sequiter. It doesn't address the original claim -- that one can hear the "roll-off."
I claim this "roll-off" is a bogus issue.
It is way below the threshold of audibility.
The counter this claim, one has to prove one can hear it.
Logically, you would compare it to *FLAT* not to an *UNKNOWN.*
It would not be the leat bit difficult to set up a test where Sean could listen to FLAT versus .1db down at 20 Khz in his own listening room, with the cables in his system.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why one wouldn't want to take such a test -- because no one could pass it.
So, the choices are: Concede the point, or distract and divert.
I already know the answer, this "roll-off" is inaudible -- it is a non-issue.
So, I would suggest moving on to some other issue.
I agree that one can effect *change* with a speaker cable.
This has never been in contention.
Sean claimed he could hear a "roll-off" with 12 gauge Zip Cord.
Of course, after repeating this a number of times without specifying the amount of the "roll-off" -- I did some searching.
Sure, it is with a simulated 4 Ohm load, but still -- it is better than being vague with no specific info at all, but in the simulation, with a 10 foot length of 12 gauge Zip cord into a 4 ohm load, the "roll-off" is .088 db.
Do I believe Sean can hear that?
Nope. Nada. Null and void.
Now, the rest of this, IMO, is to distract from his claim.
He cannot back it up. Never can, never will.
I predict we will see nothing but diversion and non-sequiters.
IMO, it could have been no biggie if Sean had done the minimum that one does to protect one's credibility.
He could have included the numbers the next time he followed me to a thread and made the same claim about the "roll-off" and he could have at least indicated that there is some doubt about whether or not anyone could hear it.
Instead, he made comments about how people with really good ears can hear such things.
Then, I posted the reference about how 3.05 db attentuation at 16Khz is the minimum threshold for detection and he switched the topic to Nordost cables
and cooked up this test to see if the two cables sound *DIFFERENT.*
This isn't MY issue. I believe cables can sound rolled-off and they can sound bumped in the high end, or they can be robbed of detail if there sin't sufficient guage.
So, trying to argue me into acknowledging that speaker cables can sound different is a non-sequiter. It doesn't address the original claim -- that one can hear the "roll-off."
I claim this "roll-off" is a bogus issue.
It is way below the threshold of audibility.
The counter this claim, one has to prove one can hear it.
Logically, you would compare it to *FLAT* not to an *UNKNOWN.*
It would not be the leat bit difficult to set up a test where Sean could listen to FLAT versus .1db down at 20 Khz in his own listening room, with the cables in his system.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why one wouldn't want to take such a test -- because no one could pass it.
So, the choices are: Concede the point, or distract and divert.
I already know the answer, this "roll-off" is inaudible -- it is a non-issue.
So, I would suggest moving on to some other issue.