Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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JAFant and all. I also want to express my appreciation for this thread and all of you who contribute your thoughts, knowledge and inputs here and behind the curtain. Without you I would not have imagined this slowly emerging Thiel Renaissance venture. The weeding that you guys have done to find products compatible with and complementary to Thiel loudspeakers would be hard to replicate, actually impossible given the constraints of real life. Likewise your generosity with time and "surplus" products have been transformative. The 6 pair of classic Thiels in my stable all came through this thread. In fact, this thread is my only virtual presence and it connects us all quite well. Thank you.
Your introduction to Bill Thalmann of Music Technologies hit the bull’s-eye. I visited Bill in Springfield VA on Friday to pick up my Sony SCD-1 with refurbished mechanics and CD section, and a neat closed door on the SACD section. I also dropped off the full set of Classé amplification and the Philips CD-80 player for upgrade evaluation. These were Thiel’s 1990 entré into affordable high performance and have served me since. This gear will continue onward as an alternate source to my Benchmark chain. I know it intimately and expect the upgrades to bring it into the modern era.
A word about Bill and his operation. Cool. His 5 (or so) person operation repairs, restores, upgrades and maintains (electric) musical instruments, stage gear, hi fi and professional electronics. There’s a candy store of gear for sale plus multiple work stations that include binocular microscopes, solder stations, scopes and computers and tons of parts and components. The place exudes detailed, focused work.

The order of the day was to assess Bill’s interest in participating in the Thiel Renaissance project. He is interested. As a starting point, he will make a professional assessment of the CS3.5 equalizer which I left along with a user-generated reverse engineered schematic. We are exploring ways and means to accomplish the bass-boost task with possibly more sophistication, including a balanced option. Step one is to learn what Bill thinks of Jim’s work - design, execution, performance including technical and listening evaluations. Jim approached his work very carefully designing his circuitry without op-amps, etc. toward very high performance at moderate cost - like his speakers. That was 1975-1985; the 3.5 was his last equalized product. I am re-evaluating use of an equalizer because it was central to Jim’s insight and holistic approach. It’s death in Thieldom was never joyful. Design and Marketing perspectives diverged, in diplomatic-speak. My own direct comparisons using the model 02 as ported vs sealed re-affirm my desire to offer sealed bass, possibly with equalizers in models that never had one. My present work uses the model 02 as a test bed and proof-of-concept workhorse. Depending on particulars, Bill might prototype an 02 EQ. Imagine that.
@tomthiel, I’m glad your trip was fruitful. Hopefully we’ve found a resource to help further the Thiel legacy.  I’m truly excited by the eq projects. 
  The more I think about your earlier posts about making the Thiel’s cross-overs external; the more  I think this the preferred way of doing things. Perhaps there could be some overlap with such external cross-overs and the eq projects? 
  With more multi-bit DACs (32 etc.) the more direct drive of amplifiers by such DACS become more viable without risk of bit stripping . Thus making active linestages superfluous in many systems. One concern is that the otherwise preferred balanced outputs with their higher output voltages might still need too much attenuation to avoid the aforementioned bit stripping. Of course, amps such as the Benchmark with adjustable input solve this issue, but this very useful feature is unfortunately not all that common. Perhaps some sort of attenuation option on the proposed eq’s could facilitate such a system arrangement?
Tom Thiel thanks so much for your journey and updates! Did you or your brother ever consider or build a prototype based on aperiodic enclosure slash vario vent..which when implemented properly seems to greatly reduce the system resonance peak?
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Thank You for the follow up with Bill Thalmann. I am glad that you guys had a fruitful conversation and trip. His reputation is well documented and regarded in these very Audio forums. I can only imagine the setting of his Hot Rod Garage.

Keep us posted on the modification/over-haul of your Classe' amps.
That brand still has a loyal following to date.

Excited about the future of Thiel Renaissance as well.  This outing sounds like a catalyst of good things on the horizon. In fact, I am certain that other Manufacturers would take an interest as information is released within Trade circles. Well Done!

Happy Listening!
brettmcee - from the earliest time, we noted that Thiel customers seemed to play by different rules than much of the industry. We chalked that up to Thiel's objective, neutral, no-nonsense approach to our products and our business. We also noted that reviewers of Thiel products shared that same stripe of competence. And the pros who used our speakers to mix and master were first-rate. Tom Jung of DMP was as good as it got in the early days of digital, and various European, especially Scandanavian, recordists produced albums that are still today beyond reproach.

Music brings out the best in us all. And Thiel people are my favorites.