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Dear @daveyf : "  I can think of no tube phono stages that will work well with a cartridge that has between 0.125 and 0.2 Mv of output. "

not for that output level and for any other output level, tubes are not for home audio system MUSIC/SOUND enjoyment. 


" 
 age old argument has been that the less wire the less loss. IMHO, that is a bogus argument. What is lost by the necessity to have either an SUT or a “stressed” ss phono preamp, easily outweighs any gains in the minimization of the wiring. "

bogus?, obviously you have no idea what you are talking about and confirm it your " stressed " ss phono preamp.

Do you know that a ss active high gain phono preamp is designed expressely for that kind of job. Expressely to handle with absolutely aplomb those very low cartridge output levels?

or according to you an amplifier with 300 watts by channel in 8 ohms spec is " stressed " and  with more poor quality performance than an amplifier with 40 watts design?

what in a hell are you talking about?, each audio designer designs according the specific needs on what his design will be used where the designer always takes in count that the design stays far away from any kind of distress. Got it?
Did you read something like designed overload safety margin or amplifier power headroom or .... or ?

R.

Dear @invictus005: @cardani posted: " I wonder if.... " and makes sense to wonedr about but you said: " no way " with out any true foundation because as good the 2M Black is maybe the Concorde coulkd be in the same league or even beats it. or not. Don't you think so?

R.

Raul, you need to calm down a little.. :0(

plus, it would probably help if you weren’t attempting to read into my post things that weren’t there. For instance, nowhere do I say that there are NO solid state phono stages that cannot work with flea output cartridges. There may be few that can, but I think most ss phono stages will be pushing the envelope to amplify that small an output.
You need to reread my post above and stop reacting... your example of the amp is ludicrous.
Lastly, so that I am clear in your position... coming from a self anointed expert, you are stating that no tube gear can produce music... in your opinion... yes??

Dear @daveyf : "  Do you know that a ss active high gain phono preamp is designed expressely for that kind of job. Expressely to handle with absolutely aplomb those very low cartridge output levels? "

as every thing in audio can be good and not so good designs but any decent design even my statement characteristics in a phono stage design.

The real problem with low output or very low output cartridges is to achieve the rigth gain with  LOW NOISE

Anyway, thank's for your response.

Btw, tubes? well a walkman can makes " sound " too. So what? that's does not means can make the rigth sound.

R.

I personally would not pay $12K for a cartridge, but I don't think the idea is "beyond stupid".

Davey, The (all tube) Atma-sphere MP1 will work fine with cartridges down to around 0.2mV, with no significant noise penalty, and this is without a SUT.  Beyond that, there is more than one hybrid tube/solid state phono stage that will also work well.  I modified my own MP1 by converting the input phono voltage gain stage to a solid state/tube hybrid circuit.  As a result, I can deal with even an Ortofon MC2000 (.05mV output) with inaudible noise and with quite a bit of headroom (no SUT needed).  The MP1 is a fully balanced device, input to output.  This provides for quite a bit of noise cancellation.  I think it is unwise in this hobby to make sweeping generalizations unless one has actually done the work to support such.