TONEARM DAMPING : DAMPED OR NOT ? ? USELESS ? ? WELCOMED ? ?

@lohanimal  : That's why you have to make additional tests. With the trough at the back of the tonearm 10cst has no real benefit.

R.

Dear friends :I already linked in this thread my caps thread, so you can read here the latest up-date about:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/best-harmless-signatureless-speakers-capacitors/post?postid=2...

In the midrange crossover I use caps in parallel too, 4 of them and only in the band-pass and tweeter crossover filters use only one.

Thank’s that in that forum ( techtalk. ) the experts in the subject ( some of them are DIY. ) gave me the normal audiophile advise to use some of the boutique caps and that no one of them gives me nothing different ( I’m not blame in any way to any one of them, as a fact I already appreciated their opinions. The best they can. ) I started to make a deep research by my self ( for moths and " thousands of tests with several models of Wima/Kemet/Vishay caps. Tests mainly in the midrange/tweeter crossover filters. ) through the internet and after I took in count that I had many Wima ( different models. ) caps that I changed in my electronics for many past years that I changed for in theory " better " caps type: more or less " boutique " type of caps.

In that research I found out with no single doubt the very good reasons why Wima, Vishay and Kemet are the true Industry Standard devices and I mean in all kind of Industry from the aerospace, automotive, militar, medical, audio and the like and at the same time I found out and learned why audiophiles and some high-end audio items manufacturers use the " boutique " names that they used/choosed not with very good reasons but for the very " wrong " reasons with out knowing theirt bad caps selections: I was one of them as and audiophile/manufacturer.

In my case my mistake/error was not made comparisons between the " boutique " caps and the way humble Wima/Kemet.

Nothing can compare against those Industry Standard caps, nothing at all ( at least not any " boutique " one. ).

Some of you like to make some DIY up-grades in your systems and for you I urge to try these caps in electronics and speakers and you will find out that all those euphonic distortions you like it and that are developed in your system just disappers leaving the signal MUSIC just " untoachable "/alone. It’s a total extasis about and I mean it.

At the begining you can experienced, as some audiophiles that do not like damping because the sound is lifeless/dullness and the like but the reality is exactly the latest @lohanimal experiences when at the first moment he thinked exist some " trouble " with the stage performance and bass but latter on he posted that that was not in that way but more music information with lower distortions and this is what you will find out with those caps: the true and only the true, you can’t deceit your self.
You can lost nothing because at the end of those changes and after your brain/ears been accustom to if even this you don’t like it then always can come back at the same place where you started with.

Anyway, I want it to share with all of you my caps discovery because the rewards are extremely high and worth to do it or at least try it.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R:

Btw, today I can listen my system at any SPL you can name it and imagine does not collapse and even very high SPLs my ears don't ask to go lower but even can " support " higher levels that are really dagerous for my ears.
I never imagined that the female voice sshhhh was developed by the system or at least making it with higher SPL.

@rauliruegas 

Max Townshend told me he will give a link to the 'White Paper' but for now have a look at this link:

https://patents.justia.com/patent/4277070 

Dear @lohanimal : Great, I think that all of us appreciated.

The Cranfield Institute of Thechnology made a true deeep reasearch and measurements about rigth what @bdp24 and you posted, it's not just bla bla bla.

Well, here and in other threads I posted " similar " way of thinking ( bla bla bla. ) on the whole necessity of tonearm/cartridge damping where several audiophiles first don't cares enough about and second don't makes to them " click " my empirical/common sense way of thinking, well maybe not only common sense but first hand experiences even with out scientific measurements.

A critical issue in that patent information that again I always talked about is that every kind of developed noised and distortions at any frequency develops harmonics/overtones that modulates/colored all the frequency range and in that patent they remarks that the frequencies developed even been to low: 0.56-3hz its harmonics goes to 20hz.
Damping puts at minimum that problem either that the damping trough stays at the front or back in the tonearm.

That's why I always state that as better the room/system bass range quality level as better will be the whole room/system quality MUSIC reproduction. From here came my first hand experiences with a pair of powered subs that I shared through my subwoofer thread.

So, a tonearm needs at least to be designed and builded choosing the materials not only by its rigidity/stifness but taking in count the necessity to be well damped even with out using the silicon oil trough.

Well there are many things to comment on that patent and the damping benefitial effects and for me is a learning lesson that I hope could be that way for other audiophiles.

I know that always exist the audiophiles that no matters what they are entilted to that horrendous: " that's how I like it " even if he choosed the " wrong " road.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Dear friends and @lohanimal  : The ones that use the trough fron/back in tonearm/cartridge combinations coincide in that the bass is truly improved and this fact gives " ligth/shine " to the other frequency extreme and obviously at the middle range too.

Some audiophiles here or in other thread acused me to insult japanese people and vintage manufacturers as FR/SAEC that desifned very bad damped or non-damped tonearms when I posted that they just like things different and I understand this coming from an audiophile but coming from a tonearm manufacturer only means very low knowledge levels about that's what I posted not as an insult but a fact.
Even SAEC in its information puts pictures on how heavy mass damps almost " everything " and puts that information with out any tonearm research on the issue.

Several manufacturers do not design with the trough but their designs have a good level of damping in other ways.

R.