Trelja in New York


Well, here it is. My own personal show report. I guess I should be ashamed of myself. Taking up all of this space and all. First, I regret that I did not meet anyone from Audiogon at the show. The show had a MUCH larger attendance than I ever could have anticipated. I mean it was gigantic. And many people there had no idea about high end audio. Second, my lucky day! While I was standing in line to purchase a ticket, a guy announced that the show sucked, and was offering to give his away. Guess who the lucky recipient was? Well, I was able to save the price of admission. I did give my $4 coupon to the guy behind me. Now, for the show... I was disappointed in the sound of most of the rooms. Other than exhibitors displaying on the 2nd and 4th floors, the rooms were just too small. It was a joke. Virtually everyone displaying on the 9th, 10th, and 42nd floors were in bad rooms. Especially, those on the 9th and 10th floors. These manufacturers simply overpowered the rooms they were in. Sound was horrible. One exception to the "too small room" set was Talon speakers. A lousy sounding speaker in my opinion. Thin, weak, and underpowered. Anemic. They definitely get the "all show, no go" award. This is a speaker with a 5 digit price tag? I wonder how someone who owns this speaker feels. They were eclipsed in the "biggest disappointment" category however. By none other than the $85K Dynaudio Evidence. Yes, they play loud, and without strain. That is the best thing I can say about them. But, they need to go visit the Wizard. They have no heart, or soul. These two speakers are proof positive of two things. One, you don't have to spend a lot of money to get good sound. And two, brains and money do not necessarily go hand in hand. Next up for duds was the Creek demo. Nice turntable, but their amp/speakers were terrible. I have heard Creek amps sound a heck of a lot better. Poor job by a good company goes to Rogue. I forget the other companies in their room already, and they should take my lead. Their electronics are a bit pushy, and need to be mated with speakers and cables which are more mellow. It was not the case here, and the sound was bad. Linn was also getting poor sound, despite the fact that they were in a good room. Too much bass and brightness. Are they going for the boom and sizzle crowd? Silverline and Triangle speakers can sound much better than they did at this show. And what is going on with Alon these days? Here was a great speaker company. Their new products seem to be aimed squarely at Donald Trump and Fabio. Expensive would be a supreme understatement. What happened to this company, with its value oriented philosophy? They would dominate just about any room. Nice treble coming from the Raven tweeter. Guess that answers our questions. Seems to be a great, high sensitivity tweeter. Should we think of this tweeter for the SET crowd? Another disappointment, Red Rose Music. They are coming hard, but give them a good listen, and see that if you stop listening to what they tell you you are hearing, the sound is definitely not worth the asking price. Don't believe the hype. Nice treble though, ala the ribbon tweeter(just like Alon). One more. Whoever that horn speaker company is who was in the Atma Sphere room, please GET OUT of the speaker business. Now. And Atma Sphere, you did yourselves a tremendous disservice by teaming up with that company. Fundamentally flawed is all I can say about those horns. Speaking of horns, I was not able to listen to the AvantGardes(ran a demo every 30 minutes), one of the few I could not hear. As I said, most of the sound was bad. I wonder how I would feel if I was showing my products with this kind of sound. Mortified, I think. OK, enough griping, let's get to the winners. First up is Trelja's "Best of Show" award. It goes to the Vandersteen 5s, driven by the new Cary V12 amps. By a landslide. A LOT of companies should take a lesson from what these guys are doing. Impressive. Most impressive. Next up is "Most Stunning" component. This one is also a landslide. The forthcoming Western Electric 300B amps. Yes, you read that right. Art deco. They are not yet operational, but coming in the summer. Just let me put it this way, if they sound 25% as good as they look, they will be the best amps you can buy. And, actually a bargain at $16/pair, complete with WE300B tubes. JMLabs speakers sounded great. These guys are pros. Coincident took the "Best of Show" on one of the tough floors. I know I may seem to lack credibility on this one, but it is true. They did not destroy their sound, and that was enough to earn them the Blue Ribbon. The word smart comes to mind when thinking of the Musical Fidelity room. Unlike Rogue, they mated their products very well. Enough so that the whole system sounded warm and full, despite the new MF line being more neutral and analytical. These guys understand what good sound is. They used Analysis Plus cabling, and it was good(Megasam knows a good combination when he hears it). Merlin speakers struck me as something to try to hear more of, despite not sounding well in their rooms. Cary amps sounded good in most of the places they were playing. Mirage sounded good to me, despite having one of the empiest rooms in the whole show. The Joule Electra room(I forget who they teamed with) fell into the same group as Merlin for me. Not spectacular at the show, but I would like to hear them in a better setting. Dick Sequerra was a prince to me, despite being a God in this industry. Israel Blume was also stellar, though he is not yet a Dick Sequerra. All in all, not a bad time. Just that there were far too many people to be able to give some companies a really good listen. I think less attendance would be a boon to people like us. We would be able to focus more into every room. Hope everyone else who went enjoyed themselves.
trelja
I almost forgot to mention that I thought the MBLs had the best sounding high frequency reproduction at the show -- and the rest of the range was pretty good too. Man, I'd love to own those MBL amps, they're gorgeous and HUGE!
Hey, did anyone catch the Wilson/Spectral/MIT demo at the Innovative room(the system had bass to die for), or those wild diaphram-bending line source speakers, Airfoil, from Impact? Those were two of the best of show in my view. There was also a good looking 2-way system ($5,400/pr.) by Roman Audio on the 2nd floor that was shockingly adroit at reproducing violin, and acoustic guitar and bass. The speakers use a new patent pending capacitor-less crossover technology from DiAural LLC, owned by Ray Kimber and Bruce Bastian. Best sound for the price was from the Newform Research R645s ($2265/pr.), which, for the money are a steal. Those into HT would appreciate the offerings from Outlaw -- they had a $500 6-channel receiver (65 Wpc, I believe) that really sounded GOOD doing multi-channel. I heard the Vandy 5's and thought they were decent, but were definitely eclipsed by some of the other formidable competition. I have to agree about Red Rose not living up to the hype. The tweeter is nice, but one was always aware of its presence; it didn't mesh seamlessly with the other driver and of course there was no real bass to speak of.
Dako, you are right, the Krell speakers were great, but at ten grand they should be! I don't quite understand the marketing of a 10 grand small speaker, I mean why not just buy a full range speaker if you care enough to spend $10,000? Maybe it is for rich people who have many systems and insist on the best, even in a small system...but that leaves 98% of us wanting. Happy Mother's Day to every Audigon members mom!!
Its a shame that they chose Mothers Day weekend to hold the show. Im sure most people chose Saturday to see the show because of it which would explain the crowds. Sunday would be the the day to go but explain that to your mother or wife :)
I agree with most here.The Cary/Vandersteen room was impressive.Dennis from Cary was in the room when we were there and had Nick put in Comfortably Numb from MFSL The Wall.After attempts by my friend to convince Nick to turn up the volume,Dennis swayed him to turn it up and was it ever sweet.I don't see any comments about the room right next to this one.This room had the supposed dream system.At a price tag of 236,000 dollars I was not impressed.I also liked the Coincident speakers,sounded very nice.The 85,000 Dynaudio's were nice too,but not 85k nice.I also liked the Legend room for their amps,did not care much for their speakers,especially at 4,000 dollars.I also liked the Krell LAT 2 speakers,they had tremendous bottom end for a small speaker,although they are 10k a pair.The crowd was massive on Saturday and getting in to demo rooms was becoming a hassle.Alot of the rooms were playing music that had no balls.I was sort of upset by that.Also,alot of the rooms wouldnot turn up volumes to levels over people in the rooms talking.Overall it was a good show and for once I was able to weed out some of the overpriced garbage from the truly greta bargains that are available in the audio world.Trelja,great report!!!!!
Thanks for the info-great post.
Now I do not feel so bad that I could not make it (due to Mother's day).
I would bet the Vandersteen 5 demo was in the Audio Connection room. They had one of the best sounds at the last show in '96.
Joe great report, I especially like hearing about cables,
ICs, AC cords, power conditioners that are showing up in
display rooms. I am sure most rooms were playing SACD, but
for standard CD what player or DAC was getting used a lot?

Also were most rooms bi-amped, bi-wired or just single amped? Again great job reporting, when I lived in Chicago
1980-92 they had some good CES shows for high end electronics in the Palmer Hotel I went to, great to be able to go in and talk to owner/designer of company. Would always come away learning a great deal. Yes we need more
great products with low price tag, like the new Coincident
cable you mentioned.
I would agree with Trelja that there were really very few rooms with great sound. I was there on Friday. There was a lot of bright sounding equipment. Even the Cary-Vandersteen setup, while it was still one of the better rooms, was too bright. I heard it playing vinyl via an Aesthetix IO, Aesthetix Callisto. Better sounding rooms included the Legend Audio room where they were demonstrating a small stand-mounted speaker ~$4000 and their integrated amp. This system of course had no bass, but the midrange was as liquid and silky smooth as I have ever heard and female voices literally sounded as if they were in the room. The Burmester room was showing a money- no-object system, which sounded excellent, except that the system lacked that ultimate bass extension which was incredible since we were probably hearing hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. The Eggleston room had excellent sound. The system had great impact, great bass weight and the mids (again female voices) sounded close to live. The Soliloquy room (with Acoustic Zen cables) also was too bright but would say that the system demonstrated great transparency, dynamics and impact. As I have heard from others that the cables are not bright, I would definitely be interested in an in-home audition. The MBL room was also showing very good sound. Very smooth midrange although lacking somewhat in impact and upper midrange bite. The Coincident and Silverline rooms were a little too bright for my taste. The Hovland room was demoing a new amp soon to be coming to market along with their HP-100 preamp. The sound was quite bright, even though I have heard the HP-100 at dealers and I know it can sound much better than it did. The Talon room, showing their souped-up Khorus, had excellent midrange, excellent smoothness, dynamics and transparency througout the mids. The system was lacking especially in treble extension and also, in deep bass extension. The Dynaudio room on the second floor was demoing a speaker which was so bright it was almost painful to stay and listen. Didn't stay long enough to find out the model number. Lastly, I went to the Sony 5 channel SCD demo, using the new multi channel SCD-777. This demo was constrained by the capability of the speakers (which were Sony's own high end speakers) and the poor setup. The amps used were 5 Pass X-650's. We heard almost no sound coming from the rear and the front speakers were towed-in way too much, but still, I would say the sound was quite promising and I would definitely consider this 5.1 channel SCD-777 when it comes available in the fall, even though I currently do not have a 5 channel system.
One more comment on the new, low price Coincident speaker cable. Not only is it a mere $200/6 ft pair, but each additional foot is only $20! I have been screaming about cable being overpriced since joining this site. How we need more cables that compete with anything and carry a low price tag. Not budget cables, but great cables that are not so overpriced. This speaker cable appears to have the potential benchmark status that their interconnect has achieved.
Thanks for the compliments. Tubegroover, the Vandersteen 5/Cary V12 setup was in a larger room. On the 4th floor. Anyone who thinks of the words "slow, overly warm, vague, and lacking in detail" when thinking of Vandersteen will have to reassess their philosophy. This was my first experience with the 5s, and the thing that struck me was that they were about half the size I expected them to be. I will definitely take you up on the invite one day. Thank you! Bpmnyc, I am no longer in town, but would have stayed for Sunday had I known. I think you are a very wise man. Your Friday/Sunday strategy seems brilliant. The Saturday crowd attracted a lot of non Hifi people specifically, and a lot of people in general. The other two days would be much less crowded. Probably Friday even more so. Andrew Singer definitely made his presence felt this weekend. Can't say he is a guy I would buy from, but he does carry an impressive lineup. Murderer's Row of the audiophile world. The new Coincident speaker cable(CST 0.5?) is going to be HUGE. That is, if we can get past our recent history of equating price with quality in this hobby. Here is a 6 foot speaker cable that will retail for $200! Israel told me that it will best a lot of cables out there, regardless of price. He gave me cable advice once before. I was a little bit skeptical back then, thinking he was just another guy who was blowing his cable's horn. After auditioning, he certainly proved to be a man who knows what he is talking about. The fact that so many of us on this site like his cables says something. Question, I have heard most cables disparaged on this site. With the exception of Coincident. That is amazing. Oh, I forgot to mention Nordost in my initial post. I am not a Nordost pusher on this site, but neither do I disparage them. Well, I will say their cables are WAY too forward. If the guy who makes them actually believed what he was saying about his cable's sound at this show, I have to say I am not a person who will ever buy his products. If he cannot match his cables to the right equipment, he just doesn't get something. I would like to hear them in a VERY laid back system. That is the only place I could ever envision them. Or, for people with severe hearing loss(needing Nordost for things to sound natural). I have to disagree with the new Soliloquy speaker(prefacing it with the statement that I did not give it a long audition). I thought the speaker unflattering. More hifi than natural sounding music. Most disturbing is that it looks like this company is going the Acarian route. A company who made it bones with great speakers which seemed to represent tremendous value in the industry. Now, on the road to upping their prices in a big way. I have recommended their speakers many a time on this site. But, if this new speaker represents the future, they will inevitably lose my allegiance. I wish I can remember the other rooms that I thought were commendable, but I guess I could not retain everything. I apologize for this. Some companies were actually impressive. Would love to read the impressions of all who attended the show. Thank you
Trelija, thanks for the information. It's nice to know that some members get to the shows and see what I usually only read about.
I thought the Odyssey Audio Presentation was very good. I finally had a chance to hear the companies setup and walked away with a rare smile. I honestly feel that Symphonic Line gave one of the better presentations of their line which included the dimming of the lights and a locked door. I came to realize that the chance to really hear the various equipment in these rooms was next to impossible with the small rooms and the many people talking and coming and going so I quickly went for the "try and see everything game plan" which left me with a since of accomplishment rather than total dissapointment. I don't know many many people there knew about Hi-Fi or not, although I managed to speak to a few people and the few that I did speak too seemed to have a fair knowledge of what they liked and didn't like about Music and Hi-fi and that was enough for me. It was a large crowd (mostly male and middle aged) especially when it came to the most exotic equipment as the Sony room had a more younger hip feel and a crowd to match. I'm very curious with this 777es SACD player and would like to hear it in 2-channel playing Redbook Cd's. With the street price expected to be about $2,100 - $2,400, front loading, with quicker start time than the original and hopefully no fall off from performance than it seems that Sony has addressed most of the gripes other than software issues, that I had with the original 777es.

Well I've been invited to Lyric Hi-Fi for their show this weekend as well. They will be giving demos on Multi channel Super Audio CD and surround DVD-Audio today. They will also be showing the Magneplanar 20.1 loudspeaker. What I'm actually looking forward to is the Madrigal HT system being played with a SACD Player through Mark Levinson Revel equipment.

Till next time

Be well
I was there two days and regardless of the room size there were some impressive setups.The new Gershman speakers at $15K were very natural-I forget whose tube amps were there.
Art Audio Jota monoblocks and the new Solilquy 6.5 for $6000
were one of the best at the show.Great sound at prices considerably less money than most rooms.
In a larger room on the second floor was Sanibel Sound with the Halcro amps($22K) and the sensational Piega P10 from Switzerland($11500)
The Coincident room was not to my liking.
The two days were a blast but it was very crowded-much more so than anyone expected.
Trelja, It's a bit late so I'll make it quick. I was at the show Friday, but could not attend Sat. I will try to go tomorrow. Are you still in town? Would be happy to meet and greet you there. First impression: Go to the Sound by Singer room and listen to the Lamm amps! Fantastic!! Will try to give everyone a better picture tomorrow. I have relatives visiting this weekend so I haven't had as much available time as I would have liked.
Nice report Joe. Now if you're ever down Florida way, I'm a stone throw away from Plastic World, stop by for a Merlin demo. Show conditions are horrendous in most instances. I remember the worst I ever heard Vandersteen sound was at a show. So what does that say? I can't imagine that all these products are as bad as they sounded at the show. btw, were the Vandy 5's in a larger room? Did they have an advantage over the other set-ups?