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Upgrading Speaker Cables: Wireworld Silver Eclipse or Transparent Audio Ultra?

More than 15 years ago, I bought a set of speaker cables to accompany my then brand new Revel Ultima Studios and Krell FPB amplifiers.  While I continue to adore the sound of my system, I know there have been a lot of advancements in cable technology this century.  Consequently, I believe that a [relatively] low cost upgrade would be a purchase of new speaker cables.  (I have no intent to replace either my speakers or my amplifiers at this time.)  I live in an area that is several hundred miles distant from any high end dealer, so doing a sonic audition of cables is infeasible; moreover, I could not duplicate my combination of other sources, amplifiers, interconnect cables, and power cords -- as well, of course, of my room environment.

All that being said, I have done tons of reading about speaker cables these past few months.  The result of my efforts has been to narrow down my two upgrade choices (both bi-wired) to Transparent Audio's Ultras and Wireworld Cable's Silver Eclipse.  Coincidentally, their respective MSRPs are between $50 of each other.

Ideally, I would love to read responses from other Audiogon members who have actually auditioned one cable against the other.  That is likely to be nigh unto impossible because I have been unable to identify a single dealer who carries both lines.  Consequently, I would be delighted to receive anyone's thoughts about the pluses and minuses of each individual cable.

Many thanks to all who provide their much appreciated insights!
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b4icu
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Mr. ditusa
How many times I'll need to buy the Bruckling bridge?
On my previous post to you, I stated clearly, that the speakers are not part in this analysis.
It's about what kind of Amp's output, does the speaker sees. 
And actually sees the Amp's Ro through the speaker cables.
So The speaker claim and JBL engineering are irrelevant.
Even the Wikipedia DF ling specify some facts of speaker cables resistance influence (ruing) the DF.
As so, with Tubes, The DF is so low, that it makes no difference.
But when DF increases above 150, it does. It becomes even worst when the cables get longer.
What about a guy, who just approached me on my thread:  How to select a good Speaker Cable
Who upgraded his PASS Labs 250 (DF=150) into a Devialet 120 (DF=8000).
You still think that your argument applies?
Read how a #0 awg, upgraded his sound experience, in 2018, with his PASS and a Magie III.
So please, give it a second look and try to follow.
You might very pleasantly surprised if you implement it.
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ditusa
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b4icu your babbling good luck with your battery cables my speakers love 14awg helix wound cable 2’ long if your speaker cable is150’ long go 12awg but what is the awg of the speaker wire in the speakers?
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b4icu
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Mr. ditusa
We use to say the world an aunt can see, is extremely narrow.
About calculating the speakers cross section, vs DF and length:
You are milles away.
If you follow my link and read the description of a guy who pioneered my idea, you will see it makes a difference.
He is not alone. there are many more...

2’ long speaker cables: What is it, a large headphones?

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ditusa
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@b4icu if you do not know why i have 2' speakers cables on my speakers there is no point for me to talk to you. like i said your babbling
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auxinput2,166 posts07-28-2020 6:49am
@auxinput You’ve posted here enough to realize what a canard the old silver is bright line is eh?

sorry, but I have done extensive listening and testing with silver components. Silver interconnects, silver fuses, silver digital cable. It is largely system dependent, but they all add a level of brightness and sterileness. If you have very warm sounding equipment, then silver might add some speed, but with the combination of Revel Studio and Krell FPB, the likelyhood of creating a bright edge is high.

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Why on the bright side?

I picked up USAF surplus #12 pure silver medium strand count. It had a poly/teflon cover .60 thick. That wire took over 2000 hours to finally sound really, REALLY good. That was 25 or so years ago. I learned that silver cable/wire take a LONG time to sound anywhere close to the way it can.
I use to think VTL was very bright for a tube amp. It just takes 1000 plus hours for the silver SC wire to settle in. Then, like magic they just start sounding RIGHT..

A lot of Valve amps are voiced with copper just for that reason, they don’t sound GREAT for a long time, add teflon coupling caps, holly cow. Easy 1000 + hours... That’s 6 months at 40 hours a week, or 12 months at 20 hours a week... or 2 years at 10 hours a week, or 4 years at 5 hours a week. See what I’m saying.. A lot of people never hit 5 hours a week of listening. At 2.5 hours a week of listening, EIGHT years to break in a system with silver and teflon caps.

The truth of it is, a LOT of systems, never break in... NOT BURN IN!
I never heard the term in all the year I been doing this, until recent.
I hope I never BURN IN anything.. Break in yea...Burn in...LOL
I use a cable cooker, may I never BURN the cables, only break them in and give them a better, direction to be installed.

With silver cables and a cooker, 10 + day at 24/7 and 200 or so hooked up where they are in service and working.

Copper PC 5 day. Speaker ICs 3-5 days, and 20-75 hours to settle in on both.

Silver clad, MS oh my.. they are brighter than most. Many day on the ol cooker, RCA and XLR 10 days, speaker IC.. I don’t use it..15 days or so...I’d guess for # 12-14

I know, cable cooker don’t work either.
They only, don’t work, if you don’t have one, to work... :-)

Regards
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