Vandersteen Treo vs 3A Sig as upgrade


I had my local dealer hook up a pair of Treos to demo them and left with a very mixed impression. I like the overall sound. They have a smoother, more refined and sophisticated midrange that the 3A Sigs can't match. I want that. But the bass was less defined and the top end was bright. The sibilance was very exaggerated - this was with CD. Is this the character of the Treo? Thanks!
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I'm considering buying Vandersteen Treos.  What is the difference between the two tweeters?  I know it's going to be subjective, but I'm at least trying to get an idea.  Please advise based on your experiences either in home or at a dealer.

Thanks much.  Oh, my amp will be a Belles integrated with either AQ or Cardas cabling.  My room is 16' x 12'.

Regards.....

In a nutshell the CT Carbon Tweeters and further enhanced crossover design within the Treo CT is more like there are no speakers in front of you.

   Best JohnnyR



"... the whole of the Treo's performance is more than the sum of those parts. There was never a recording that I didn't enjoy through these speakers ... Highly recommended." -John Atkinson, Stereophile
 

The Treo is essentially a passive version of the original Quatro Wood, sharing the same driver complement sans the powered-bass system. It too is offered in an array of wood finishes in a strikingly attractive form factor.  But the Treo is also a modern take on the legendary Model 2, a paragon of cost-effective performance that's made in the USA, but in an elegant outer package.

The Treo is a time- and phase-correct full-range loudspeaker. Because such great demands are placed on the drivers in Vandersteen’s first-order speaker designs, the Treo’s drivers are the kind of highly advanced transducers typically found in cost-no-object designs. The proprietary transmission-line loaded tweeter and Vandersteen’s proprietary Reflection-Free 4.5” midrange driver break up energy from behind these drivers before they can pass directly back into the room and to the listener’s ears. The 6.5” Tri-Woven woofer offers superior transient response and definition in the crucial lower-midrange/midbass frequencies, with the bass foundation supplied by the ported, carbon-loaded 8” woofer with an ultra-long motor assembly.  

The impedance-compensated crossovers are ultra high-performance designs featuring extreme-quality parts, and individually tuned in an anechoic chamber. Vandersteen’s Minimum Baffle enclosures ensure maximum rigidity, free of time-smearing reflections and diffraction. All of this technology allows the Treos to offer the kind of exceptional resolution, imaging and natural musicality Vandersteens are known for.

Magic in the Midrange

Vandersteen’s 4.5” Reflection-Free™ Midrange carried a US patent for over 20 years, and the essential design is still the heart of all Vandersteen speakers. Typical midrange drivers are backed by a large, round magnet structure that’s nearly as big around as the driver cone itself. Because drivers cones emit as much energy backward as forward this “back wave” of sonic energy reflects off the magnet structure and arrives at the listener’s ears in time with the primary signal, smearing the timing of the music and creating sonic confusion. Vandersteen’s Reflection-Free midrange avoids this time-domain distortion by using an open back with a cylindrical magnet structure that allows the back wave to be broken up and diffused inside the speaker cabinet so it doesn’t smear the signal reaching the listener’s ears. The result is a pure and open midrange with true Dimensional Purity

 VS  Carbon CT

The Vandersteen Audio speaker lineup continues to evolve as a result of the research & development efforts that delivered the patented carbon-fiber Perfect-Piston™ drivers used in the flagship Model Seven. Vandersteen’s Treo loudspeaker is now available in an optional Treo CT version (Carbon Tweeter), which is a $1,000 upgrade that features the superb Carbon Tweeter from the renowned Model 5A Carbon.

Carbon driver cones offer the pistonic linearity of metal drivers without the unnatural sonic colorations inherent in metal drivers. While the Perfect-Piston Tweeter used in the flagship Model Seven is the fully embodied ideal of high-frequency purity and resolution, the Treo CT delivers a surprising amount of the air, space and natural purity previously heard only in Vandersteen’s top speaker models: the Quatro Wood CT, Model 5A Carbon and the Model Seven.

The Treo is essentially a passive version of the Quatro Wood CT, sharing the same driver complement sans the powered-bass system. It too is offered in an array of wood finishes in a strikingly attractive form factor.  Like the legendary Model 2, the Treo is a paragon of cost-effective performance that's made in the USA, but in an elegant outer package.

The Treo is a time- and phase-correct full-range loudspeaker. Because such great demands are placed on the drivers in Vandersteen’s first-order speaker designs, the Treo’s drivers are the kind of highly advanced transducers typically found in cost-no-object designs. The proprietary transmission-line loaded tweeter and Vandersteen’s proprietary Reflection-Free 4.5” midrange driver break up energy from behind these drivers before they can pass directly back into the room and to the listener’s ears. The 6.5” Tri-Woven woofer offers superior transient response and definition in the crucial lower-midrange/midbass frequencies, with the bass foundation supplied by the ported, carbon-loaded 8” woofer with an ultra-long motor assembly.  

The impedance-compensated crossovers are ultra high-performance designs featuring extreme-quality parts, and individually tuned in an anechoic chamber. Vandersteen’s Minimum Baffle enclosures ensure maximum rigidity, free of time-smearing reflections and diffraction. All of this technology allows the Treos to offer the kind of exceptional resolution, imaging and natural musicality Vandersteens are known for.



thanks Johnny.  The difference isn't huge, but it's there.  A bit larger soundstage, some extra coherency and a touch more natural on the top end, but not a huge difference.  Carmenc, as I said, I'm selling my Treo's in cherry to move up to Quatro's if you have interest.  Where do you live?

It was fun rereading this whole thread.  Shows that folks all hear very differently, that's for sure.  Ask Richard the difference between the 3 sig's and the Treo's, lol.  
You know me, bought your Music Hall. Lol.  PM me if you'd like.  Spoke with John.....finally have a plan.  Take care!