Well Tempered or Teres .....


After much deliberation, I have narrowed my choices down to either the Well Tempered Classic (used, round motor) or the Teres.

My preferences for my new table are a black background as silent as possible, and dynamics along with musicality.

My thoughts on arms for the Teres --- well Just like eating an elephant, one bite at a time, but maybe ET2 or Clearaudio Unify, but I will probably start with a modded Rega 250 in order to put some monies into the 300B amp fund.

I listen to a variety of music: Blues, Classic Rock, Alternative, Female vocals, piano. (not in any particular order.)

As Far as the Teres models, I am leaning toward the Teres with the cocobolo base, because I know that if I went with the acrylic base I would always kick myself for not waiting for the Cocobolo model.

So.....

Input is appreciated as to thoughts between the WT & the Teres cocobolo base table,and of course the facts and reasons behind those thoughts.

Just for kicks, how about the same question regarding the acrylic base Teres and the WT.

Thanks for the input.

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Hi Dan,
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Glad you are moving towards a Teres table - you will be quite happy.
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Please feel free to conact me directly via email and I will be happy to share any of my experience or insights with you.
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Larry
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Dear Richard: You already solve the TT issue, one important step in the music/analog reproduction. Now you have to deal with a more important step: tonearm/cartridge combo, your money would will be here ( if you love and want the music ). Your 300B can't do anything for improve the sound that comes from your analog front end ( anything can't do it ), so you need the best quality signal from your analog front end: you have to put your money here.
Then, if you care about music, you have to choose a tonearm with a good design and a good execution design ( it does not matters if is unipivot, gimball,knife or anything else ) ( the Rega is not a good design. That's why the people try to do changes on it and that's why exist Origin Live ): Moerch, SME, Audiocraft,Pluto,Vector,Schroeder ( Topoxfordoc recomendation ), are really great tonearms and do a good match with Shelter 901.
Regards and always enjoy the music.
Raul.
Cello and Doug... how would you compare the Vector to the other arms you auditioned?
DtM,

It's a little hard to talk about Cello's Vector. IIRC we only heard one cartridge on it, his Shelter 901, and that clearly hasn't broken in yet. My 901 sounded less constrained, edgy or peaky than Cello's no matter what arm we put it on. Keeping that in mind, here are my impressions of the Basis Vector and Graham 2.2:

The Vector is more dynamic. Those dynamics sounded a bit strained or "hifi" at times, but I'm pretty sure that was due to the new cartridge.

The Graham seemed a bit smoother, rounder or warmer, though again that could be due to Cello's newish 901 making the Vector sound edgier.

For useability and ease of adjustment it's no contest, the Graham wins by a mile. It's an easy and pleasurable arm to use. The Vector's lack of VTA adjustment is a major oversight. Cello was wise to order the Teres VTA adapter for it, without that the Vector would be a non-starter for me despite it's considerable sonic merits.

For clarity and neutrality however I think the eventual winner may be the Vector. Once everything breaks in I think the Graham's very slight warmth may be more noticeable. This is very subtle however, and either arm could be right for certain systems, tastes, or cartridges. It may even depend on the recording. Electric guitar and female pop or jazz vocals on the Graham/Koetsu RSP were just magical. Nice to have a 340-2 and two such fine setups to choose from.

Here's a revelation for you: either of these fine arms clobbers my modded OL Silver! Who'da thunk it? I heard no inner groove problems on the Vector or the 2.2. I have those constantly with my OL. It's nothing to do with cartridge alignment, the OL just won't let the stylus trace those tight inner groove modulations cleanly. The Vector and 2.2 both do a better job and they're both less colored. Since returning home, Paul and I now both hear the OL's limitations on every record. (Curse you Cello! I knew something like this would happen.) Of course a $900 arm has no business playing in this kind of traffic, and Twl's $20 HIFI Mod gives the Silver every inch of the Vector's stunning dynamics. It actually beats the Graham there, if nowhere else.

At the opposite end of ridiculous was CB's Schroeder Reference. It's in a class of its own, price-wise and performance-wise. With my Shelter 901 on it we had an open pipeline to the music, there were no sonic artifacts from arm or cartridge at all. It was like both components had just disappeared. Fairly amazing stuff, as you'd hope for from an arm that costs nearly as much as a Vector and a 2.2 combined.

Say, anyone wanna buy a lightly used, lovingly modified OL Silver - for about $5K? We'll even throw in Paul's paper clip VTF adjuster, which works better than the VTF on any of those overpriced sticks we heard at Cello's! :-)
FWIW, I have also audtioned both the Vector and the 2.2 with a Shelter 501, 901, a Benz Ref 2 (Silver and Copper), and a Koetsu Urishi. These arm/cartridge combos were run on a Nottingham Spacedeck, Hyperspace, and an SME20. I did NOT find the Vector to be more dynamic than the 2.2 in any of those instances. In fact, it was one of the reasons (along with great ease of VTA, VTF, and azimuth settings - and the fact that Bob Graham is a prince to deal with), that I selected the 2.2 over the Basis arm for my Spacedeck. Now, the Spacedeck does not compete with the 340, to be sure, but the SME20 is clearly no slouch.

I think Doug is correct to say that the table may make a big difference in evaluating an arm/cartridge. Always best to listen whenever you can. I first heard a Vector on a Basis 2800 and if I had not heard it AND the 2.2 on my 'Not, I would have bought the Vector.

Did you buy a Teres, Dennis? Thought I heard you mention you did or were leaning toward... If it is only the Teres you're concerned with visa vis the Vector, I'd certainly trust Doug's ear.